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Why People Wants All Killers to Be Nurse Level?
First i am not against killer buffs.
Maps should balance better for killers.
Dead Hard and CoH needs to go.
Weak killers should buff.
But seriously i don't wanna Nurse level killers. But i am seeing some people wants this. But DbD is not playing by only one side. If all killers would be this level, how people will enjoy as survivor?
For me game needs to be fair for both sides. For me, maps are making it imposible. Most maps are balancing around casual/new players and i think this is biggest mistake.
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This is for the first time I am seeing someone saying "Lets make everyone on Nurse level" topic.
So I would say most killer players, including me, don't asking for this.
I don't need every killer be at least A+ tier. But I don't want them to be C or lower too. I think B / A is a good middle ground.
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I honestly want the killers to be fundamentally fun to play atleast could be Z tier for all I care
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I am not against that. All killers should have enough chance to win. But honestly i don't wanna see another Nurse in game.
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Because all killer SHOULD be viable on ALL skillevels.
Just like all characters in league or r6s are nearly always viable.
Of course every game has a meta but you CAN win with anyone in those games.
Not so in DBD since half the rosters powers are lackluster now that survivor over time learned the most efficient strats and those got distributed far and wide thanks to the streaming era.
Same with killer camping/tunneling so much. Both sides have reached the momentary apex in efficiency and the fun is left behind.
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Ofcourse all killers should be viable on all skilllevels but if all killers would be strong like Nurse, how survivor will win? Nurse at least wants some skill, imagine Wraith is strong like her. And he easy level killer. Killers would dominate game.
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I just want them all to be viable. Honestly, Nurse is poorly designed and probably the worst example of how anyone should want killer to perform in the game. But hey, different strokes for different folks.
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Honestly Blight, Huntress, Bubba are good examples for good killers. They are balanced, strong and viable.
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Because Nurse is one of the few killers who can actually compete with high MMR survivors who know exactly what to do.
(yes its rare but it exists)
Anyway, there shouldnt be killer tier lists, every killer should be equally strong/weak.
And while i know how hard it is to balance that, its definitely possible but it wont happen because they simply dont focus on it.
Imagine if all killer would be viable and fun for both sides.
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Some killers are weak (Trapper, Pig, Myers etc.) but i think most killers are okey. Powers are not issue, maps are. Most maps are super safe and large. I really had hope they will fix maps with reworks but they just made them worse (The Game, Coldwind, Asylum)
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If it ever did happen, do you truly believe that survivors wouldn't be adjusted at all?
I've never seen anyone make this proposal before you decided to start this thread, but let's go ahead and take a look.
So first, all killers get buffed to be as viable in high level as nurse.
Then, kill rates massively change across the board.
Followed by buffs to survivor experience.
That's how I see it going, as that fits how BHVR already works. Same basic reasoning behind people who want to buff solo survivors up to the swf level. (At least that's the claim they generally make) first you simplify the variance on one side, then correct the other accordingly.
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Almost no one wants all Killers to be Nurse level. However, most people want all Killers to be on the level of Blight
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I agree with that. Fair and balanced game would fun for everyone. I am against people who thinks survivors are okey. Because this is not true. There is some god survivors and swfs but all survivors are not like this. Game should not be pain for this people but if we are talking the way you mentioned, this would be alright.
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Not Nurse level. That would only be possible if you give every killer the power to teleport through walls. However making all the other Killers stronger so they are almost as strong as Nurse when played well makes a lot of sense.
Basically what I am trying to say is that; It doesn't make sense that sub par survivors do well against skilled Killers.
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I think you got this backwards. People want all killers Legion level.
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Pig?
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Because if killers are too behind Nurse, you'll see nothing but Nurses. Nobody wants to play a killer that's going to get them nothing but disresctpect and tbags at the gate. Do you want to see nothing but nurses? We don't either.
There you go, there's your answer.
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Each side has a few issues, which tend to be wildly overstated by people who tend to stick to only playing one side. One of the biggest challenges from a balancing perspective is always going to be killer variety. There's a reason that every other game that comes for dbd's spot only has like 3-4 killers, the wider the variance, the more difficult it is to make changes that won't have unforseen consequences for a single killer.
Ultimately the idea of making each killer "as strong as nurse" is itself fallacy.
1. Nurse isn't that strong for every player. If she was, she'd dominate the kill ratings, where she consistently underperforms.
2. The things that make her so strong for those people who have learned her is as much due to survivors not understanding how to play against a good Nurse as it is her unique power, neither of which could conceivably be replicated across the board. Her strength isn't strength, it's uniqueness, which by it's nature is diluted if everyone is the same.
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Nurse isnt viable. Nurse is broken. And thats the exact issue why killers in this forum cant be taken seriously.
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I’d say the ideal killer to balance around is huntress. Strong but has counterplay and doesn’t feel unfair for either side
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Yea most killers only have problems because of certein maps or because some perks completly destroy them.
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Sorry but i never took you serious to begin with given your comment history 😘
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"why people wants"
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they are good examples. Legion and Ghostface are good examples that are far from those 3 and their changes are insufficient to bring them closer to those 3. you see the problem? with last 6 months, they've made more killers go further away from ideal instead of closer. the negative changes they make are very impactful and positive changes they make to killers are not really noticeable.
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I personally want all killers to be at Oni levels of strength. Strong but beatable. I also think that maps and perks such as CoH are the bigger problem rather than killer strength.
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This
Right now I'd wager a good half of the killer list is impotent against survivors who actually know what they're doing (and I'd argue even 3/4 the cast is impotent against a 4 man swf who knows what they're doing, if not higher).
People complain that all they see are Blight and Nurse but somehow can't make the connection for WHY they only see Nurse and Blight. Those two are the only two who seem to have a fighting chance against a 4 man competent SWF squad so many killer have decided why risk getting slapped around like a survivors personal punching bag.
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I think its not about making killers be nurse tier, but making killer skill matter against good survivors, you can be the best most skilled legion on the planet but a good team should never let you get more than a 1k no matter your plays/choices as killer.
And I think that is what some people take issue with, they want a killer in which skill expression matters against oponents that know how to play the game.
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nurse is BS, not even she should be on her current level.
but what i do think is that every Killer should be on old Deathslingers level (if chase related) or on current Blights level (if not chase related - also this excludes exploits).
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I'd agree but for some Killers, using their power efficiently takes ages. Like, for Trapper, if you don't use the addons, you have to travel the whole map to get your traps and to install them where you want. By this time, you already lost so much time that you don't have a lot left to have fun with your power.
That's terrible because I like Trapper's power. It's fun to make a strategy with the traps, but the time I'm doing the math, Survivors have completed the generators of someone else's match.
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Whats the point of having 27 killers when you can only use/see 3 in high mmr?
Having variety is a nice thing. Honestly, if all killers were as strong as Nurse, then no one would learn to play Nurse. Since she has such a steep learning curve. So i doubt many players want to have all killers on Nurse level.
Being able to choose freely what killer you like and not think "oh i love Trapper, but i´ll probably lose 4 gens before i get my first hook, so i´ll take something else instead".
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Same way survivors want survivors to get on CWF level.
It's better for the balance if one side is unified in power level to adjust the other side to it. Theoretically survivors could also get shiny new toys if the low tier killers ... werent low tier. Shocking, I guess.
Its funny, players on both sides see no problem with buffing the base survivor to match survivors who use 3rd party voice programs. And yet when its on to the killer side, many survivors simply cant wrap their head around that the killer side also wants their weakest stuff matching the strongest. And im pretty certain its lots easier to buff survivor to CWF than to get low tier killers on to par with the stronger ones without changing the killer gameplay drastically, like multiple abilities per killer, etc.
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I actually do think every killer should be as strong as nurse. There's really no reason to have tiers on the killer side considering there are no tiers on the survivor side. Just make both sides strong/powerful and relatively accessible to use. Or in the alternative get rid of 2/3 teachables for survivors so that each survivor has something unique about them (not just cosmetic differences).
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Because they're killers and should be the power role, not the bullied.
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Could make this happen in a week....assuming the BHVR team let me be the idealist behind the coding/statistic changes. I'd even weaken Nurse slightly to bridge the gap.
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Dude it's impossible because tell me how is Michael myers gonna be at the level of nurse? It's common sense. Michael just has a knife and stalks lol he can't teleport or go through walls.
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After the mid chapter
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You mean survivors want that, even streamers now being accused of deliberately lowering their mmr off stream to put on a good show while they go live.
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I think it is silly to think in any game that has various characters or etc to be at the top level. It is honestly a pretty normal thing in most pvp games. Now there are some killers that definitely need buffed, and there are things that need changed about the game, but there will always be a "worst" of any category, and there will always be a "best" of every category. Clown no matter what will never be top tier, his kit and design just don't support it. Neither will trapper. Some killers will never be top tier, and that is ok.
Now some killers definitely have the potential to be top tier with some buffs, and I wouldn't be against having some more higher tier killers, but objectively not every killer can even be buffed to that level.
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Considering that killers are increasingly being nerfed to be harder to play (Hillbilly's revs, Deathslinger's wind-up, Freddy's fewer snares, Spirit's invisible tells, etc.), it feels like the Devs want all killers to be as hard to play as Nurse.
So if the quality of life keeps plummeting and the difficulty of use keeps climbing, you can't really blame killers for wanting SOMETHING to make the characters more rewarding to play. Why bother with a hard-to-use killer power that has a pathetic output, like Pinhead's controlled chains, when you can just play somebody with a hard-to-use power that has a good output, like Huntress's hatchets?
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Aren't the majority of characters in league. Not viable?
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When people want a killer to be "Nurse level" I just interpret that as they want a killer that has some agency.
The only other real killer who can do whatever they please is AFK Pig.
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Not until high diamond/master.
Until then most people aren't skilled enough to use the meta to their full potential. The better skill most often is the more important factor.
Of course there will be meta picks that perform better at the moment but even non meta picks can win the lane given the skill matchup.
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Had tons of fun using off meta jank to counter the meta. I remember when AD mid and Top were prevalent, I played a ton of AD mana tank Kassadin just to mess with people. Or AD Tankmo with Frozen Mallet rush.
I miss LoL sometimes
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It's again complete chaos at the moment with ADC, toplaner and other roles playing also top or mid. Or midlander on bot.
I took a 4 or 5 month break myself and am going to start playing solo queue tomorrow.
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