A simple remedy to lobby dodging

@Jack11803 said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
I don't play competitively. I play for fun. Not to get sweaty.

I'm not going to see an unfun looking SWF group and say "yeah, I want to get my ass kicked in a one sided match and feed them an Ill equipped low rank killer. It's going to be fun to get genrushed by people who should be playing at rank 1."
Match starts
"Oh, hey, they always know where eachother are! They always know where I am! Constant flashlight save attempts! Wow, this guy loops like a pro! Wow! Not even a minute and 3 gens are done! I sure love getting gen rushed!"
Match finishes
"Hey, I just got rank reset to 15. Look, I'm against rank 10, 8, 2, and 14!
Not a single aura reading perk!
Oh, look, I got less than 10k blood points because I should have never seen these people in a match."

[BAD WORD] that.

I don't agree with being forced to play a buncha #########. Especially ones that abuse match making to go against easier killers so they can stomp them.
I shouldn't be punished for it.

Deranking shouldn’t be allowed, but on that note, neither should cherry picking for easy wins.

Here's something that should be cleared up. I'm not looking for "easy wins." I'm not some pro redrank, here, I'm a goofball looking to play a game here, and there. I'm not some 4k crazed hardass.
Games where I'm not getting my ass stomped soundly by people abusing stuff like matchmaking, and voice chat.

I'm looking for fair matches, and I sincerely believe it's a rarity that SWF matches are fair due to how easy it is to use, and abuse voice comms to get an unnatural advantage. It's also a matter of experience. I usually hang out in the ranks they love to target.

That said, I agree, basically. Killers just looking to rofflestomp shouldn't depip.

@Jack11803 said:

@Rebel_Raven said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
I don't play competitively. I play for fun. Not to get sweaty.

I'm not going to see an unfun looking SWF group and say "yeah, I want to get my ass kicked in a one sided match and feed them an Ill equipped low rank killer. It's going to be fun to get genrushed by people who should be playing at rank 1."
Match starts
"Oh, hey, they always know where eachother are! They always know where I am! Constant flashlight save attempts! Wow, this guy loops like a pro! Wow! Not even a minute and 3 gens are done! I sure love getting gen rushed!"
Match finishes
"Hey, I just got rank reset to 15. Look, I'm against rank 10, 8, 2, and 14!
Not a single aura reading perk!
Oh, look, I got less than 10k blood points because I should have never seen these people in a match."

[BAD WORD] that.

I don't agree with being forced to play a buncha #########. Especially ones that abuse match making to go against easier killers so they can stomp them.
I shouldn't be punished for it.

Deranking shouldn’t be allowed, but on that note, neither should cherry picking for easy wins.

Here's something that should be cleared up. I'm not looking for "easy wins." I'm not some pro redrank, here, I'm a goofball looking to play a game here, and there. I'm not some 4k crazed hardass.
Games where I'm not getting my ass stomped soundly by people abusing stuff like matchmaking, and voice chat.

I'm looking for fair matches, and I sincerely believe it's a rarity that SWF matches are fair due to how easy it is to use, and abuse voice comms to get an unnatural advantage. It's also a matter of experience. I usually hang out in the ranks they love to target.

Every 4K is the Survivors getting brutally stomped. How often do all four escape vs you getting 4k’s?

A 4k for me? lawl
Basically never. I'm not some hardass killer

I might get a sacrifice or two. 3? maybe. I do need blood points, you know.

Like I said, I'm not 4k crazed.
I'd rather let a person have the hatch unless they've been toxic. I'd rather avoid a hatch standoff.

Like I said, I'm a goofball casual.

Jack11803 said:

Dedicated servers. The end

Dedicated servers won't solve the problems DbD has. It will probably create even more. Since there won't be servers in every country. 

@OP sure, let's punish people if they don't want to play with a ping of 500. Great idea!

What needs to change is either identification of SWF or as I have had, all survivors join at same time. I'm a solo survivor, but joining all same time makes killers think SWF and thus lobby dodge. Grrr!! 

This would be a preferred punishment for DC'ers not lobby dodging tbh. If you want to address lobby dodging wait until dedicated servers are a thing.

Allow Killers to disable SWFs and we can do that!

Also, this would affect Survivors aswell, right?
As I see countless Survivors that dodge lobbies to streamsnipe their favourite streamer.

A problem I can see with such a punishment: People will just DC during loading screen or even ingame, if that's what you want to promote then go ahead and punish lobby dodgers

@Peanits said:
If you gotta' dodge flashlights with tightened blind angles, shorter pickup animations, and complete freedom to just face a wall and hard counter them, that's a you problem. You don't even need lightborn. It's a blessing when people do that because that just means one less person on generators whenever I'm chasing an injured survivor just do they can get into position to flashlight the back of my head as I pick up their friend while facing a tree.

Macro clickers are still annoying though. For a game that depends on me having my audio turned up enough to hear stuff I shouldn't have an obnoxious sound spammed deafening me. Granted I haven't played since maybe December so I don't know if that was addressed.

I do not want lobby dodging to be punished. You’re in the lobby. If they leave pre-five second countdown then they may simply not like circumstances such as poor connections, unstable connections. As someone who lives in a newly built home where better, fibre-based connections haven’t been established yet I sympathise with those sorts. However, if those people leave after the five second countdown has begun I see no reason for empathy, given they’ve now given the others a mandatory impairment. But how can we separate genuine cases of disconnection from intentional leaving? We can’t. So introducing a punishment mechanic would only be harmful until we discover ways of monitoring such behaviour, like seeing at what point the servers lose connection to the survivor or killer.

@Jack11803 said:

@Master said:

@Tsulan said:
Jack11803 said:

Dedicated servers. The end

Dedicated servers won't solve the problems DbD has. It will probably create even more. Since there won't be servers in every country. 

@OP sure, let's punish people if they don't want to play with a ping of 500. Great idea!

I will certainly create even more problems.
I cant wait until 360ing doesnt happen in realtime...... will be lots of fun

Okay, tsulan has a very valid point, but what you’re complaining about is blatant host privledge, stop being so prissy. Even with absolutely insane fps drop on my PS4 I hit 360’s. You need to get better if you can’t hit them. I’m not gonna sacrifice a fix to dodging, connection issues, lag switching, cheating, faster bans, and most of all..... removing a killer on ps4’s ability to delete survivor save data by closing application... all because your ass can’t back up a few feet and not lunge into the next dimension. There is way too much to lose by not including dedicated servers.

That PS4 issue with killer dcs is one of the biggest reason I am looking forward to dedicated servers. I hope the switch will finally fix that issue. Lag switching, cheating, and finally banning for dc abuse is up there on the list.

You keep saying that dedicated servers are going to fix lobby dodging. 

How?

@Raccoon said:
You keep saying that dedicated servers are going to fix lobby dodging. 

How?

Dedicated servers won't fix lobby dodging but implementing any form of punishment for lobby dodging when peer2peer is a thing would be stupid. Sometimes I'd rather not play in a game where I have 200 ping you know what I mean?

Dedicated servers may reduce lobby dodging for that specific instance as well as MLGA probably won't work. After that I can't imagine there would be much else of a reason to dodge unless you need to back out to pick someone up in an SWF or you don't want to play with a specific player. Which would only be an issue for survivors seeing other survivors names or killer seeing survivor names. Only solution for that is completely hiding usernames / profiles.

@Rebel_Raven said:

@micsan said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
A 4k for me? lawl
Basically never. I'm not some hardass killer

I might get a sacrifice or two. 3? maybe. I do need blood points, you know.

Like I said, I'm not 4k crazed.
I'd rather let a person have the hatch unless they've been toxic. I'd rather avoid a hatch standoff.

Like I said, I'm a goofball casual.

Well, getting a 4k is the equivalent of everyone escaping...Not to be a dickhead, but...If neither of these things happen in your games or seldom do, what are you complaining about? Your games sound like they are exactly where you want them to be, getting two maybe three kills.

What more do you want?

Sidenote, if you have been lobby dodging every SWF, then you will most likely be in a rank where even solo survivors are extremely strong compared to your skill level. A rank 20 SWF is like a rank 15 solo group etc.

You are doing yourself a disservice by ranking up too quickly, because you are dodging SWFs which is one of the main reasons most people lose pips.

I am complaining because SWFs are usually tryhard as hell, abuse match making to get easier games, and abuse external help (I.E. external voice chat) to gain an unfair advantage. This proposal is geared towards making me play these people, or I get longer wait times.
The fact that SWF is getting more and more common is making things worse. They will make me regret every Auric cell I ever bought. Or make me survivor only.

SWF tilts things badly towards 0k-1k. I may as well AFK against these people. It makes it really hard to earn decent blood points, or do anything. Zero fun.
And being in lower ranks, I'm a prime target for these people.

I'm not doing anything to look for easy games.I'm not some depipping rank 1 veteran, here.
I'm looking for -fair- games. Once I know the deck isn't being stacked against me, I don't care too much about what happens win or lose. That's what I want. Problem is SWF taints that badly.

Yeap, I slowed down playing a lot lately. I don't even consider trying to outrace rank reset.
And I agree, SWFs often do play well above the rank/skill of the killer they vs. Usually because they mix ranks to the point that they have several colors in their team.
This is problematic because I have a crap amount of perks, a near insignificant arsenal of addons, and almost zero Mori.
It's not a matter of improving skills, it's more getting fair games, and seeing what happens. SWF basically makes that goal a joke. I know what will happen. They will have a big brother runner, or two, likely a full color or two of rank above me, they will get super immersed by broadcasting my location so they're hard to find, and they will coordinate like hell to make sure I get stomped.

In short, I'd like a lot of fair games. I play casually, not sweaty. SWF is often not fair. This proposal is deciding I get punished if I dodge unfair/SWF games.

@Rebel_Raven said:

@micsan said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
A 4k for me? lawl
Basically never. I'm not some hardass killer

I might get a sacrifice or two. 3? maybe. I do need blood points, you know.

Like I said, I'm not 4k crazed.
I'd rather let a person have the hatch unless they've been toxic. I'd rather avoid a hatch standoff.

Like I said, I'm a goofball casual.

Well, getting a 4k is the equivalent of everyone escaping...Not to be a dickhead, but...If neither of these things happen in your games or seldom do, what are you complaining about? Your games sound like they are exactly where you want them to be, getting two maybe three kills.

What more do you want?

Sidenote, if you have been lobby dodging every SWF, then you will most likely be in a rank where even solo survivors are extremely strong compared to your skill level. A rank 20 SWF is like a rank 15 solo group etc.

You are doing yourself a disservice by ranking up too quickly, because you are dodging SWFs which is one of the main reasons most people lose pips.

I am complaining because SWFs are usually tryhard as hell, abuse match making to get easier games, and abuse external help (I.E. external voice chat) to gain an unfair advantage. This proposal is geared towards making me play these people, or I get longer wait times.
The fact that SWF is getting more and more common is making things worse. They will make me regret every Auric cell I ever bought. Or make me survivor only.

SWF tilts things badly towards 0k-1k. I may as well AFK against these people. It makes it really hard to earn decent blood points, or do anything. Zero fun.
And being in lower ranks, I'm a prime target for these people.

I'm not doing anything to look for easy games.I'm not some depipping rank 1 veteran, here.
I'm looking for -fair- games. Once I know the deck isn't being stacked against me, I don't care too much about what happens win or lose. That's what I want. Problem is SWF taints that badly.

Yeap, I slowed down playing a lot lately. I don't even consider trying to outrace rank reset.
And I agree, SWFs often do play well above the rank/skill of the killer they vs. Usually because they mix ranks to the point that they have several colors in their team.
This is problematic because I have a crap amount of perks, a near insignificant arsenal of addons, and almost zero Mori.
It's not a matter of improving skills, it's more getting fair games, and seeing what happens. SWF basically makes that goal a joke. I know what will happen. They will have a big brother runner, or two, likely a full color or two of rank above me, they will get super immersed by broadcasting my location so they're hard to find, and they will coordinate like hell to make sure I get stomped.

In short, I'd like a lot of fair games. I play casually, not sweaty. SWF is often not fair. This proposal is deciding I get punished if I dodge unfair/SWF games.

I've started to suspect that most of the SWF squads that are left are the most toxic ones, I know our swf group is dying. None of us have the time to spend 15 mins in queue only for someone like you who think we are a toxic sabo squad dodge us and we spend another 15 mins in queue, just hoping that the next killer won't dodge.

The whole dodging thing, is making the SWF squads you meet, more sweaty. Because only sweaty people are willing to spend 15 minutes in queue for the off chance they get into a game or another 15 min queue. I also want to play casually, both survivor and killer. But these swf queues are making me not want to play the game at all, killer, solo, duo, whatever.

That being said, I was beyond extremely disappointed and sad that they did not fix the queue with yesterday's patch. Either they didn't fix it, or it is simply too late because most people stopped playing already. I'm not playing this game until they fix the queues and I know I'm not the only one. I've stopped purchasing anything in the game, I bought Legion and Jeff with shards just to save a pretty penny. I refuse to support this game when it will not let me play it with my friends.

micsan said:

@Rebel_Raven said:

@micsan said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
A 4k for me? lawl
Basically never. I'm not some hardass killer

I might get a sacrifice or two. 3? maybe. I do need blood points, you know.

Like I said, I'm not 4k crazed.
I'd rather let a person have the hatch unless they've been toxic. I'd rather avoid a hatch standoff.

Like I said, I'm a goofball casual.

Well, getting a 4k is the equivalent of everyone escaping...Not to be a dickhead, but...If neither of these things happen in your games or seldom do, what are you complaining about? Your games sound like they are exactly where you want them to be, getting two maybe three kills.

What more do you want?

Sidenote, if you have been lobby dodging every SWF, then you will most likely be in a rank where even solo survivors are extremely strong compared to your skill level. A rank 20 SWF is like a rank 15 solo group etc.

You are doing yourself a disservice by ranking up too quickly, because you are dodging SWFs which is one of the main reasons most people lose pips.

I am complaining because SWFs are usually tryhard as hell, abuse match making to get easier games, and abuse external help (I.E. external voice chat) to gain an unfair advantage. This proposal is geared towards making me play these people, or I get longer wait times.
The fact that SWF is getting more and more common is making things worse. They will make me regret every Auric cell I ever bought. Or make me survivor only.

SWF tilts things badly towards 0k-1k. I may as well AFK against these people. It makes it really hard to earn decent blood points, or do anything. Zero fun.
And being in lower ranks, I'm a prime target for these people.

I'm not doing anything to look for easy games.I'm not some depipping rank 1 veteran, here.
I'm looking for -fair- games. Once I know the deck isn't being stacked against me, I don't care too much about what happens win or lose. That's what I want. Problem is SWF taints that badly.

Yeap, I slowed down playing a lot lately. I don't even consider trying to outrace rank reset.
And I agree, SWFs often do play well above the rank/skill of the killer they vs. Usually because they mix ranks to the point that they have several colors in their team.
This is problematic because I have a crap amount of perks, a near insignificant arsenal of addons, and almost zero Mori.
It's not a matter of improving skills, it's more getting fair games, and seeing what happens. SWF basically makes that goal a joke. I know what will happen. They will have a big brother runner, or two, likely a full color or two of rank above me, they will get super immersed by broadcasting my location so they're hard to find, and they will coordinate like hell to make sure I get stomped.

In short, I'd like a lot of fair games. I play casually, not sweaty. SWF is often not fair. This proposal is deciding I get punished if I dodge unfair/SWF games.

@Rebel_Raven said:

@micsan said:

@Rebel_Raven said:
A 4k for me? lawl
Basically never. I'm not some hardass killer

I might get a sacrifice or two. 3? maybe. I do need blood points, you know.

Like I said, I'm not 4k crazed.
I'd rather let a person have the hatch unless they've been toxic. I'd rather avoid a hatch standoff.

Like I said, I'm a goofball casual.

Well, getting a 4k is the equivalent of everyone escaping...Not to be a dickhead, but...If neither of these things happen in your games or seldom do, what are you complaining about? Your games sound like they are exactly where you want them to be, getting two maybe three kills.

What more do you want?

Sidenote, if you have been lobby dodging every SWF, then you will most likely be in a rank where even solo survivors are extremely strong compared to your skill level. A rank 20 SWF is like a rank 15 solo group etc.

You are doing yourself a disservice by ranking up too quickly, because you are dodging SWFs which is one of the main reasons most people lose pips.

I am complaining because SWFs are usually tryhard as hell, abuse match making to get easier games, and abuse external help (I.E. external voice chat) to gain an unfair advantage. This proposal is geared towards making me play these people, or I get longer wait times.
The fact that SWF is getting more and more common is making things worse. They will make me regret every Auric cell I ever bought. Or make me survivor only.

SWF tilts things badly towards 0k-1k. I may as well AFK against these people. It makes it really hard to earn decent blood points, or do anything. Zero fun.
And being in lower ranks, I'm a prime target for these people.

I'm not doing anything to look for easy games.I'm not some depipping rank 1 veteran, here.
I'm looking for -fair- games. Once I know the deck isn't being stacked against me, I don't care too much about what happens win or lose. That's what I want. Problem is SWF taints that badly.

Yeap, I slowed down playing a lot lately. I don't even consider trying to outrace rank reset.
And I agree, SWFs often do play well above the rank/skill of the killer they vs. Usually because they mix ranks to the point that they have several colors in their team.
This is problematic because I have a crap amount of perks, a near insignificant arsenal of addons, and almost zero Mori.
It's not a matter of improving skills, it's more getting fair games, and seeing what happens. SWF basically makes that goal a joke. I know what will happen. They will have a big brother runner, or two, likely a full color or two of rank above me, they will get super immersed by broadcasting my location so they're hard to find, and they will coordinate like hell to make sure I get stomped.

In short, I'd like a lot of fair games. I play casually, not sweaty. SWF is often not fair. This proposal is deciding I get punished if I dodge unfair/SWF games.

I've started to suspect that most of the SWF squads that are left are the most toxic ones, I know our swf group is dying. None of us have the time to spend 15 mins in queue only for someone like you who think we are a toxic sabo squad dodge us and we spend another 15 mins in queue, just hoping that the next killer won't dodge.

The whole dodging thing, is making the SWF squads you meet, more sweaty. Because only sweaty people are willing to spend 15 minutes in queue for the off chance they get into a game or another 15 min queue. I also want to play casually, both survivor and killer. But these swf queues are making me not want to play the game at all, killer, solo, duo, whatever.

That being said, I was beyond extremely disappointed and sad that they did not fix the queue with yesterday's patch. Either they didn't fix it, or it is simply too late because most people stopped playing already. I'm not playing this game until they fix the queues and I know I'm not the only one. I've stopped purchasing anything in the game, I bought Legion and Jeff with shards just to save a pretty penny. I refuse to support this game when it will not let me play it with my friends.

Believe me when I say I feel for you. It does suck when you can't play with friends. 
I recognize the necessity in SWF, and don't want it gone.

I can definitely see your point in SWFs getting sweatier because of the long wait times, but I feel like they put themselves in that position to begin with by being sweaty, toxic, etc.
If I didn't constantly run into squads looking for easy games I wouldn't have a problem with SWF. 
I do recognize that not all SWF are like that, but at the same time, I don't see enough that aren't.
It's not fun to vs them, and it isn't worth the low blood points after. Basically kills my 2 motives for playing.

15 minutes is awful generous. 
Most SWFs just want to gen rush, and get to the exit so they can teabag me until I chase them out.
And they get salty if I do anything that offends them like camp when the gens are done.
They're shooting for easy games, and if it isn't easy mode, they get upset. 
Too few actually want the game to last.

I'm in a similar boat. I play killer and survivor. The queue time for survivors are rough. And I only solo which is weird.
The killer games are full of SWFs looking for quick easy games.

I don't look forward to spending more auric shards either.