Why should be the new survivor perks always useless?

If dead hard is Nerfed I'll just use lithe lol

You have a fair point I suppose

COH is still viable but it is still more effective in it's current state. Compare this to when Undying was nerfed. It had to happen because you could have a hex totem up all match. That nerf completely changed how killers had to play, which is not the same in regards to COH nerf.

Boil over was abused with people going to RCPD Library constantly. This would force killers to bleed them out just to progress the game. Fun for both right?

Killers have more tools available to them (i.e. Scourge Hooks, Lethal Pursuer, etc.) But the meta is still similar (Ruin, Undying, Corrupt, Tinkerer, BBQ, PGTW, Sloppy Butcher) from when I first started playing in 2020. I think killers have started thinking more outside of the box. I love the recent updates on Plague and I play almost exclusively her Prayer Tablet add on style. Slap on Fearmonger and now you have an interesting match.

CoH deserves to be nerfed into the ground as long as boons remain infinite resources. And honestly 50% isn't even nerfed into the ground. It's still a better botany knowledge for healing speed and it applies to the entire team.

There's very little counterplay to coh meaning it cannot be a strong perk.

Also Boil Over was nerfed because it was literally creating situations where the killer couldn't hook survivors and was forced to slug the entire team. The perk is still buffed from its original values just no longer abuseable.

You're actually almost right there, you've hit on something that is true. See, survivors actually have a ton of worthwhile perks, I'd argue that if you picked any five random survivors the majority of their combined teachables are perfectly fine. Some may be more worthwhile in specific builds, some may be a little weaker, but they'll all do something and they'd all give some value, there are very few genuinely useless perks for either side in DBD.

The problem is, the survivor meta is a majority perks that cover for game flaws. Why run a perfectly serviceable perk like any of the genuinely decent and strong perks in OP's examples, if doing so would sacrifice a perk slot for something you might need? Some survivor meta perks are just OP, like current CoH and Dead Hard, but most cover for a very real gap. That's why the survivor meta is so stagnant, you feel punished for not bringing DS whenever you get tunnelled, you feel punished for your teammates not bringing BT for the same reason, and so on and so forth.

That's why current survivor perks feel underwhelming- they aren't, at all! It's been a long time since a survivor with genuinely useless teachables. It's just that they need to be legitimately overpowered to compete with the current meta.

Also, just to be clear, OP is wrong, all those perks are still perfectly serviceable.

Be thankful that new perks are useless for survivors. It means survivors don't have to spend any money. We just have to wait a few weeks for bhvr to nerf everything into the ground.

You mean that bit of seasonal fun where survivors got to hop in a snowman and meme around and have fun while getting extra protection before they were injured and killers got to... Not do that? Yeah, can't imagine why they would contain about such a thing. Frankly I think if they had done anything for killers, even something like snowballs that they could throw would have made it a lot more fun for everyone.

Are you guys seriously complaining about the Circle of Healing change? Really?

In my personal opinion Circle of Healing gave the survivors way too much of an advantage. Even makes perks like self care less viable. The fact that changes would be made was inevitable.

If you crutch on Meta Perks then yes, most Perks are useless.

If you don't rely on them, you can make many interesting builds, especially on Survivor side. I've tried, tested and came up with many interesting Survivor builds because F the Meta Perks, hopefully they'll all get nerfed, the majority of Survivor Perks are underrated or make some really fun builds.

I believe He thinks the data you presented is skewed not because the perk isn't as popular, but because in any swf, only 1 person needs to bring it, unlike say, dh or D's, which every member has to bring to take advantage of, which will definitely drive down the usage.

Honestly I feel like decisive is very overrated. I shared my build with you before so you know I don't bother taking it, as I feel like you end up developing bad Survivor habits by having it and the five second stun isn't really a big enough deterrent to tunneling to make it worth it for those bad habits, if that makes sense.

Borrowed time is definitely useful against camping killers but it's another perk that I think has the very strong potential to teach you bad habits

I'm not sure I agree with that take. It was always a perk that was more valuable in SWF than solo, and I don't see that ratio changing in favour of SWF any more than it already was- the perk is still an infinite free better Self-Care for your whole team, and the random teammates that you group with know that the glowing blue beacon on the map is a place they can run to go heal without a medkit. That time save is still pretty good.

Assuming you're not placing it willy-nilly and make sure to bless away from the action, it's still a pretty solid perk. The only thing that's changed is that you can't use it to heal up absurdly fast, meaning you have to make sure the killer isn't directly on you when you start to heal. That's a good change, and one that won't be different between SWF and SoloQ.

What it has done is stopped CoH from being a selfish SoloQ perk, and I say that without judgement. Before, you could use it on yourself to cover for teammates not healing you and still come out ahead in terms of time saved, whereas now it's still good and still better than Self-Care, but a downgrade from getting an altruistic heal. That's also a good change, though, because if the whole team uses it the time-save still breaks in your favour.

yes, the perk in SFW has always been more valuable than in SoloQ.

But in SoloQ, the damage will be much higher. Of course, it will still be a self-care slot for the entire survivors (and that's the point of boons, generating something valuable for everyone in exchange for time spent), but before thinking about the team, you have to think about yourself, since you can't communicate with anyone, and that's precisely why you have more robust options than CoH now.

And precisely because the nerf is targeting the wrong aspects, the perk will remain strong in the high MMR, since the people can communicate, use med-kit that stacks to heal each other on totem radius and continue making generators and blessing totems. It's actually a very subtle perk that involves healing, and if it's precious in SWF where you have your allies on your side, imagine in a SoloQ.

But is that a bad thing? It's still a very good perk in SoloQ if you want to be a team player, but if your intent is to heal yourself first and foremost, you have more reliable options. That's a good thing, it encourages perk variety depending on how you want to play and what specific value you want to achieve.

Since it's still going to be a good perk in both SWF and SoloQ, I think that it being less of an obviously correct choice for any healing-related role in a loadout is a good thing. You bring Circle of Healing when you want the thing that Circle of Healing does, not just when you want an all-rounder healing perk.