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Why is Sadako not getting any buffs? She needs them!
As it stands she's in a really rough spot right now. Her only tool during a chase is her flicking, which doesn't work at safe loops. And Condemned might as well not exist unless you use either the Iridescent Video Tape or the Ring Drawing. Why is half of her kit useless unless you bring add-ons just to make it functional?
She's out-classed by other stealth killers thanks to the noises she emits while de-manifested, she's outclassed to slow-down killers because of how easy Condemned is to get rid of and how hard it is to build up. All she really has going for her is some decent map mobility. But even that is hampered by a 100 seconds cooldown per TV.
Give her something to work with please.
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Post edited by Cameragosha on5 -
God this is disheartening. "Not enough time for everything to settle" Like you would need more than 10 minutes of gameplay to see how weak the ghost girl is.
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IMO she does not need Buffs super-urgent. It is totally fine if the Devs wait some time. She is not the strongest Killer, but IMO a Killer which is really that simple to play does not need to be A- or S-Tier.
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That's something I read a few times now and I don't get why. Why can't a killer be a good solid A tier and be relatively simple to play? I don't even know why there should be a killer under A tier at all because you basicly say hey that Charakter you really like is going to be near useless sooner or later because when you start facing good survivor you really should pick another one that's disheartening except from a company standpoint for sales this might be nice
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Sadako needs some love, but they're a bunch of small things. She doesn't have really anything glaring that needs to be addressed, per se.
I'm just hoping they'll treat her right
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So, killer buffs need time to breath before being considered. Don't want to make a knee-jerk reaction.
But Pinhead's critical addons got nerfed in a mid-chapter patch, because...
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They actually got nerfed with the Artist's release, which is the regular time for them to review content (one chapter after).
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Who said anything about making her "A Tier"? The fact that she isn't the strongest killer in the game is no excuse for leaving her as she is. All she needs is something to make her usable. As it stands there's no reason to choose her over any other killer because everything she does, another killer does far better.
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Fair enough. I looked at the PTB date, which was the start of November (2 months after Ph release date, and thusly in the middle of the chapter). But the patch and resultant nerfs didn't go live until the end of November (a little under 3 months).
So, they'd decided to nerf him after 8 weeks of use. Sadako has been out for 5 weeks, so I guess we'll see in three weeks or so if they decide to change her current state.
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Completely untrue. If you wanted to know how a killer performs across all skill levels and maps then you would need lots of data. But for knowing if a killer is worth playing in the first place? Just compare Sadako's abilities to other killers.
Manifesting to lose your terror radius and ability to hurt survivors
- Wraith does the same but is faster
- Ghost Face, Michael and even Pig have better stealth and can still hurt survivors while undetectable
Teleporting to a TV with a 100 second cooldown per TV
- Demogorgon can set portals manually, has a much shorter cooldown and can detect if survivors are near portals
- Hag can set traps manually that she can teleport to instantly once triggered, also with no cooldown if multiple traps are up
- Blight, Billy and Nurse can all traverse the map as faster as their powers will allow and have chase potential
Condemn survivors if you teleport to a nearby TV and can kill them at 7 Condemned stacks once downed
- Pig has better kill potential with her traps and is harder to get rid of thanks to RNG
- Pinhead's box wastes survivors time better and harasses everyone on the map if ignored for too long, helping him get downs faster
There's no reason to play her because every power she has, another killer has a better version of it.
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When Blight came out half the forum was saying he was the worst killer in the game (and not just because of fiddly bouncing, people just weren't playing him well.) And I'm pretty sure a good chunk of the forums likewise don't play Sadako well either. Buffing a killer out of the gate because a bunch of people are claiming the killer is bad is not a good strategy.
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I been doing pretty good with her she a lot of fun.
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She's...none of those things.
When you break apart her kit, there's a lot of complexity there. The problem is that there isn't much reward for mastering that complexity, because her kit just doesn't work.
The glaring stuff is usually RNG related in terms of her TVs spawning in ridiculous places and the fact that she both lacks anti-loop and sufficient tools to compensate for a terrible 1v1 elsewhere.
I'd say that 'A' tier (Artist, Hag, Plague, Oni, Spirit) should be the balance target for all killers going further. 'B' tier is acceptable, but those should be the weakest killers.
The delta between even 'A' tier killers and 'C' and 'D' tier killers like Pig, Freddy, Onryo etc. is far too large.
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I'm not asking her to get buffed because she isn't as strong as Blight. I'm asking because it's blatantly obvious that she's in a bad spot and you do not need to wait several months to see that. Here is my response to TheShapesMixTape who was saying something similar to you:
Manifesting to lose your terror radius and ability to hurt survivors
Wraith does the same but is faster
Ghost Face, Michael and even Pig have better stealth and can still hurt survivors while undetectable
Teleporting to a TV with a 100 second cooldown per TV
Demogorgon can set portals manually, has a much shorter cooldown and can detect if survivors are near portals
Hag can set traps manually that she can teleport to instantly once triggered, also with no cooldown if multiple traps are up
Blight, Billy and Nurse can all traverse the map as fast as their powers will allow and have chase potential
Condemn survivors if you teleport to a nearby TV and can kill them at 7 Condemned stacks once downed
Pig has better kill potential with her traps and is harder to get rid of thanks to RNG
Pinhead's box wastes survivors time better and harasses everyone on the map if ignored for too long, helping him get downs faster
There's no reason to play her because every power she has, another killer has a better version of it.
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Blight on release was janky. I actually started posting on the forums right when he came out, and I don't recall many 'Blight is weak' posts, more 'Blight makes me physically ill to play'. His camera, combined with speed and bouncing...I get it :)
If you want to see Sadako's issues really visible, Otz's streak attempts on her are pretty illuminating. I get what the devs were trying - a killer that has a kit not oriented towards anti-loop, but her mobility is unreliable, her phasing generally may not even exist and her Condemn mechanic is mostly negligible unless you play on very specific maps.
I'm a decent killer at likely a more intermediate MMR, and she struggles.
It feels like, if she's played right, she's basically a worse Demogorgon with lame addons.
The major issues to me are:
- Her phasing sort of requires a brown addon to be useful in chase. That addon is her second best addon.
- Her traversal mechanic is extremely prone to RNG.
- The current healing meta makes hit and run basically non-viable.
- She has to work for both hits, allowing her to be looped for ages.
- Condemn is just a badly designed mechanic. A zero hook mori is impossible to balance in a way where it's both meaningful and not brokenly OP. It should be an Expose or something, with a much faster rate gain (to encourage survivors to interact with tapes more).
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The major issues to me are:
Her phasing sort of requires a brown addon to be useful in chase. That addon is her second best addon.
Her traversal mechanic is extremely prone to RNG.
The current healing meta makes hit and run basically non-viable.
She has to work for both hits, allowing her to be looped for ages.
Condemn is just a badly designed mechanic. A zero hook mori is impossible to balance in a way where it's both meaningful and not brokenly OP. It should be an Expose or something, with a much faster rate gain (to encourage survivors to interact with tapes more).
Pretty much this. The only "viable", (if you can even call it that), build with her that I've found is Iridescent Tape + Ring Drawing with STFL and Call Of Brine. You have to find which gens have TV's near them and focus on injuring survivors and refreshing the TVs and smacking them so CoB can do work, and letting survivors run away and heal so Condemned becomes a threat.
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Because "teleport and invisible OP!"
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Sadako will not getting buff anymore.
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Exactly how much time and match data do you need to realize her Condemnation is utterly worthless?
I got a Survivor to full Condemnation ONCE in the entire time I've been playing her, even with Ring Drawing and spamming teleports with the Iridescent Tape.
And that one time I got him to the red oreo of death the Survivor managed to use a tape before I could down him. They are not even exposed.
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Honestly, I think Samara only needs an add on pass because she only has maybe 6 good add ons
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There needs to be more A tier killers though. Before reset I had hit iri IV survivor and I'm not gonna lie, constantly playing against Mr. Grimes and Ms. Smithson gets old really quick.
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And I didn’t say you think she needs to be as good as Blight, nor did I say any of the other things you said I said. I said people frequently make broad claims about killers in the first few days after release and it’s unwise to act on those because it takes a while for the meta to settle around new killers. What you day is “blatantly obvious” to you can easily be you personally not playing Sadako properly. Just the fact that above you said “Wraith does the same but is faster” already tells me you are probably trying to play her like Wraith which would not be a good idea since she is not Wraith and has different strengths and weaknesses to him.
It’s quite possible she will get a buff, but honestly she isn’t as broken as you seem to think she is. There are even some streamers out there putting on virtual clinics with her. My guess is she’s just slightly above Wraith overall, so maybe 2 1/2 stars or a little less out of 5 with Wraith at 2 out of 5, but that’s just a guess. So not a top tier killer but also not the worst either.
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The devs never said that.
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You need to watch RedsGamingGears, he commonly gets survivors to full condemned status with her using a variety of builds and probably gets a Condemned kill every couple of games. It’s all about doing slugging and multitasking to not give survivors time to simultaneously do gens and heal each other and get rid of stacks at TVs.
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A lower-A-Tier killer surely needs urgent changes. I guess some people still cant figure out how to play Sadako at all.
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Dammit, your name is super familiar. Aren't you the guy from that Otz video?
Also - she's not even close to 'A' tier. I'd place her in low 'C', possibly high 'D'. The only killers I can think of that are objectively worse than her are Trapper and maybe Pig.
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I wanna see that Otz video. Link?
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If I'm correct, it's on his YouTube. I remember because if it's the same chap, his name is in the thumbnail.
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I know this was my initial reaction as well, but after playing as Sadako a bit as well as against some with some VERY smart builds, I can say she has potential. I'd wait to see how the dust settles before changing her. Ideally I think I'd like to see some mechanical tweaks to make her more efficient rather than just straight buffs to her kit, as running tapes can become tedious, and if she's just the best stealth killer then it really takes away from her uniqueness. But obviously those more interesting mechanical changes take more time.
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Ah, you are correct. It is the one titled "Step 1: Open Gates, Step 2: Collect Salt".
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Honestly pig feels stronger than her mainly the fact that the survivors are on a timer, while her passive takes eternity
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i think pig might be slighty stronger in chase. but i still think with sadako teleport she is slightly better in general.
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This sparks joy. (As in they might buff her and not just abondning her)
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I want to say they usually wait before buffing/ changing a killer, but then I remember that pretty much a week after release, Trickster received several buffs.
Even if these changes were mostly numerical, those would still benefit Sadako. Some examples would be her base flicker rate or her teleport cooldown.
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She's been out like a month.
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There is not a single killer that needs a buff. The maps need to be reworked to bring balance.
The HUGE problem is the map layouts, that's what create the unbalance, mostly.
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She's so weak that an 8k hour killer like Otz couldn't even manage a double digit win streak on her.
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LMFAO I had that person in my one Sadako game yesterday, I am 100% sure since they had the exact same name (how fitting they claim the killer is 'OP' LOL). I just p3'd her and was running Sloppy, Floods of Rage, MYC and NOED. They died during endgame but not from NOED but from MYC and went on a 5 minutes rant, calling me all sort of names for the build. Remember I had NO gen perks and the map was Ormond 😂
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If they change map layouts , the strongest killers will become stronger.
I would rather them directly look at the killer
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then they can nerf those killers after. there's like a couple of them anyway lol.
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