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So why can't Artist put birds in front of the hook but Hag can place down traps?

gendoss
gendoss Member Posts: 2,270

Classic BHVR game design being contradictory and making no sense.

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  • ReverseVelocity
    ReverseVelocity Member Posts: 5,567

    Probably because Hag's traps can't push people off of gens from anywhere on the map.

  • Crowman
    Crowman Member Posts: 10,187

    Hag is an older killer. BHVR's design choices of making killer powers not work around hooks didn't really start until the last couple of years.

  • gendoss
    gendoss Member Posts: 2,270

    Yeah but how hard is it to change that one thing about an older killer? They just recently changed her traps so they get triggered by downed survivors.

  • JeanCharpentier
    JeanCharpentier Member Posts: 370

    For them it is as hard as coding properly hair movements :)

  • sizzlingmario4
    sizzlingmario4 Member Posts: 7,891

    Hag probably wouldn’t be able to do that if she was created today.

  • Crowman
    Crowman Member Posts: 10,187

    I expect if Hag were to ever get changes on a mid-chapter they would make her traps disappear if too close to hook. But BHVR doesn't really make single adjustments like that. If they are going to touch Hag, they are going to make multiple adjustments to her traps.

  • sizzlingmario4
    sizzlingmario4 Member Posts: 7,891

    That was actually worded badly in the ptb patchnotes, what they actually did is they just fixed a bug that allowed downed survivors to prevent OTHER survivors from triggering traps by crawling on top of them. They still will not trigger traps on their own.

  • Hi_Im_Chucky
    Hi_Im_Chucky Member Posts: 366

    Yeah, I just discovered I can’t put birds down near gate (gate switch) today too. I was in game where I had a drop, 2 cars+palet combo. Thought I could place a bird near gate and push them to that side.

    NOPE

    Bird just disintegrates.

  • GrimReaperJr1232
    GrimReaperJr1232 Member Posts: 1,750
    edited April 2022

    Because Artist could place a bird, launch it to interrupt, then get a grab/practically instant down, just like Bubba or Huntress (with oak haft especially).

    Hag still has to go through the default 3 second cooldown, meaning you can unhook in front of her if she hits you. You'll just be trading.

  • Rivyn
    Rivyn Member Posts: 3,032

    It makes some sense, if you look at the timeline. They did this with the Twins, since you could just camp the hook with either. It stands to reason they'd apply the same to Artist. It would require them to go back and recode some of Hags bits and bobs, something they will tell you 'isn't on the schedule.'

    But at the same time, she needs it. She's 110%. If you couldn't trap around hooks, you'd negate at least 1/4th of a map for her, shutting down entire tile sets depending on hook rng. She can't chase already, so that would just put her in the rubbish bin.

  • TheMidnightRidr
    TheMidnightRidr Member Posts: 609

    “You’re absolutely right, so we’re nerfing twins 👍”

  • humanbeing1704
    humanbeing1704 Member Posts: 9,091

    For the most part it actually seems like out dated design and I'm surprised they never updated it

  • DarKStaR350z
    DarKStaR350z Member Posts: 906

    Because Artist can fire them to injure survivors without having to be there and moves at 115%, whereas Hag moves 110% and has to teleport to the trap to injure.