Cant wait for DH distance to go, really will be a good overall health change. (DH uses explained)

As a killer main the distance isn't what i have an issue with when it comes to players using DH. A well timed dead hard is a wonderful thing and i do applaud players who use it well.

The thing that sucks is when as a killer you get a real and fair hit on a survivor but because they hit E they are able to tank a hit (something that all other perks u need to work to get such as metal of man). The iframes that come with dead hard are basicly a way for suvivors to be immortal for a single hit. So unless you really suck with the perk you take 3 damage states to be downed each chase. As you stated in your post there are countless ways you can basicly abuse the perks iFrames to get an advantage.

Now imagine if dead hard was just distance not iFrames. Dead hard would be used then to extend loops and make windows/pallets that you wouldnt normally make. This removes the entire "Press E to outplay" stigma that dead hard has achieved and instead of it being used as a perk that literally fixes major mistakes survivors make whilst robbing a killer of a hit/down it is used at specific situations to extend loops and even escape chases.

This would make the perk fairer and i believe still widely used by many survivors but it would also bring it down to the level of other perks that could be run instead (causing not every match to have 2, 3 or 4 dead hards in it)

Make it a one time use. I like this idea now.

So basicly your saying that the iFrames should stay because killers are to stong. Bottom line is clearly you are not playing effeciently against specific killers and thats why your fighting to keep iFrames not the distance.

Given that top teir players (most not all) will run loops effeciently by predropping pallets and leaving the loop as soon as they can for more distance basicly renderes killers like Artist, trapper, hag and any other anti loop killer pointless.

If you keep the distance of dead hard then it balances the perk in line with the other exhaustion perks, Makes the perk fairer as there doesnt need to be any of the bull validation that happens in the game (whenever i get DH validated as a killer its always in survivors favor).

Bottom line is you have made it clear you just want a god perk that is so powerful that it counters most killers in the game which NO perk should do. No one perk should be able to be used to give you a free hit effectively with no work on the survivors side. You want a free hit go run Metal of Man and work for your free hit instead of relying on a crutch perk like DH to do it for free and multiple times a game.

You constantly go on about anti loop killers but guess what. nearly every killer can end loops very quickly as long as u know what your doing.

Your assumption that I either main a anti loop killer or a survivor who just wants distance is way off.

Yes i play some anti loop killers but for a long time I mained both Ghostface and Legion (im sure you will find a way to make those Anti Loop)

As for survivor on the rare occasion I do play it i don't run any exhaustion perks because i'm not a fan of using them however if i had a choice of either having iframes for a few game ticks or a big amount of distance from the killer then yes im going for distance because its more powerful. If a killer swings and gets hit by DH iFrames all they do is recover, catch up very quickly and down you

Maybe you shoud learn to look at the game as a whole not just from your play style because your playstyle seems to be "I need something that makes me immortal" and clearly your not great at the game if you can't loop without DH iFrames.

What I find funny is you constantly say that distance screws basic attack killers but you want iFrames to screw all other killers. The distace part of DH extends a chase which is the main thing your trying to do with DH. The iFrames part of dead hard gives you basicly a free 3rd damage state. You say I contradict myself but you said in response to someone else u don't want a 3rd damage state but thats exactly what iFrames do.

I also NEVER said ghostface was an anti loop killer i simply suggest that you would twist it to a way that he was (which you kinda did).

Bottom line is iFrames shouldnt exist with any perk in the game only for a brief period of time after taking damage. iFrames gives the survivor an unfair advantage if its able to be used whenever you want and there is no arguing that fact.

If you have an issue with over half the killers because they are "anti loop" then go play another game because fact of the matter is that every killer plays differently and if your unable to change your playstyle as a survivor to counter each killer then thats a you problem. you shouldnt be allowed to simply press E to outplay every single killer.

On a side note iFrames dicks over every killer both anti loop and basic attack and there really is no "skill" involved in it. because of the server lag that happens in every game as long as on your screen you hit E before the killer swings you get away and the killer gets screwed because of it. So you can drop the whole "iFrames takes skill" bullshit and throw it out the window because your wrong.

If Dead Hard had distance only and no iFrames it would cause the perk to be used in more skillful ways because survivors would have to actually use their brain to figure out when they need to gain that extra distance instead of "oh ######### i ######### up...oh well i have iFrames now so screw you killer"

I don't care if its nerfed or removed or changed whatever, my problem is too often I swing, get noise for hit, hear the survivor moan in pain complete my swing, THEN the deadhard happens and they rocket forward escaping the hit.

I do not lag, am on fast connection NA West, never have any other types of lag thats for sure, not like that.

Whatever causes that needs to be fixed because it gets old. They clearly pressed E AFTER I already pressed and swung.

Ok i give up. I give a fair and just reason for why distance is fairer than iFrames with the main reason being the iFrames lets you just undo a mistake.

You constantly say i contradict myself however your first statement here contradicts what your trying to prove,

"Why is it fair for a survivor to gain free distance for no reason when you would of got a hit?"

My arguement is why is it fair for a survivor to be able to simply ignore an attack when you would have got a hit due to iFrames. You see how your argument for distance is voided because the same issue happens with iFrames except the iFrames issue is more powerful because you don't have to worry about dodging an attack.

"They should of dropped the pallet if they wasnt able to make another rotation, they messed up and should of got hit not given free distance to be safe."

Again this argument furthers my point that distance should remain and iFrames shouldn't. You say its not fair to get distance if they mess up and not drop the pallet however you also want the perk to do the exact same thing but instead of getting distance you just simply tank the hit. the iFrames is the exact reason why survivors can mess up and not care if they greed a pallet because they can ignore the killer when using DH.

But you constantly say that its not fair to gain distance for no reason but you clearly didnt read the scenario. With distance i'm saying that survivors would need to use dead hard early before any chance of being hit to gain the distance. Similar to how lithe and balanced works if your looping around a window/dropped pallet or for balanced a drop.

I'm not trying to twist anything in the favour of anitloop killers all im trying to get you to understand is that gaining some distance from the killer is fair as long as if the killer swings and it makes contact that its not denied. If you have distance only dead hard and you wait till the last second to use it then most lunge attacks from killers (even the so called weakest killers in the game) will still hit the survivor.

What your suggesting actually hurts basic attack killers far more than anti loop killers because if you tank a hit with iFrames against an anti loop killer at least they have the ability to catch up quite quickly again. Against a basic attack killer if you tank a hit with iFrames then go back to the loop your hurting them so much. I don't understand why you don't see this.

You clearly refuse to look at anyone elses point of view but instead twist whats being said making it look like i'm constantly contradicting myself when in actual fact the distance vs iframes boils down to one simple thing

Distance allows players to extend loops and without iFrames they have to use it earlier in order to take advantage. iFrames allows players to extend loops but they can be as wrecklass as they want because they have a free hit button (E)

This was a common issue with hit validation when it first became a thing. From how I understand it the following things would happen.

You would swing and hit the survivor on your screen

On the survivors screen they would use dead hard before hand

The server validates the interaction in favor of the survivor however because on your game you hit the survivor your game files register it and play the screen sound from the survivor.

They were supposed to have fixed the issue however with all issue sthey are never 100% fixed lol.

Distance is the stronger aspect but I frequently see survivors also using it to dodge attacks. That invulnerability does add noticeable value to an already really strong perk.

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I think im on your Part with the iframes thing. If it was just distance, you would have scenarios where you try to use it but still go down like back in the Day. One reason Deadhard has gained so much Popularity is because they made it more Survivor Sided to use it. If it was IFrames however, it would actually need Skill and Gameawarness to use it and rewards you for a good Play.

Though i would say you should gain a little bit of distance while doing so because the animation would probably look weird and because of the time of the basic attack Cooldown.

I 100% disagree with taking the IFrames and just giving it more distance.

But just decreasing the Distance you gain alone (not completly) would be the best change i think.

Dead hard is annoying but makes survivor fun for a lot of people. Killers have perks and add-ons to counter all exhaustion perks. If you choose to not prepare for the likely possibility you will be facing multiple exhaustion perks then that is on you. Killers still win plenty of matches even though Survivors run exhaustion perks.

Sprint burst let survivors increase ~5.5m distance. Lithe increase much more because it through a vault, especially if its a safe vault.

Remove the distance from DH would make the perk useless:

• Requires injured, that may not come vs instant down killers
• Swing and miss, then what? Survivor is like 3m away ready for another swing. The perk would pretty much equal to someone able to make a success spin.

But I also dont think remove iFrame and increase distance is a way to fix the perk. It would be a Sprint burst that can activated mid chase.