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The DBD $350k Tournament Disaster
Bhvr Please stop trying to make dbd a competitive game, this is just embarrassing. There's TOO MANY unbalances in this game to be a tournament scene.
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Bhvr Please stop trying to make dbd a competitive game, this is just embarrassing. There's TOO MANY unbalances in this game to be a tournament scene.
I think they do the opposite. The got rid of ranks, its grades, they won't show it. There is no competitive thing or metrics. So...
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It was a pretty poor showing and nobody seemed to enjoy it.
The new player experience in DBD is genuinely one of the worst in gaming.
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New people to the game have so much to learn it’s stupid. The perks and how they have been used to balance the game obviously shows here, also the rule on banning camping is hilarious, they don’t do anything about it in game and would rather players dc or kill on the hook yet in a tournament they obviously don’t want people to see how unfair it is, crazy.
I think this video highlights a lot of the things wrong with DBD and anyone jumping into the game as a newbie is going to have a really hard time, I’m glad streamers have voiced their complaints loud and clear here though
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Was this a tournament organized by BHVR?
Usually the tournaments are run by some private people (Streamers or something like that) who make up their rules. Obviously DBD is no tournament game and the tournament-scene is pretty laughable.
That there was a huge pricepool indicates that it was probably not organized by BHVR.
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It was honestly so embarrassing to watch. Also imagine having streamers as big as Mizkif and Shroud screaming about how your game sucks. Hopefully this is a wake up call to BHVR
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Of course. Here guys, the new batch of auric-cell-only cosmetics. Enjoy!
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My favorite part is that you can get "disqualified" for camping.
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We at BHVR have always valued and will always value player feedback! In order to make new people's experience of playing our game even smoother, we have decided to nerf the pig.
-BHVR, probably
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Wait, was this even ran by BHVR themselves?
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The streamers got accounts with Demodoggo unlocked. I doubt they got them from anywhere else than BHVR.
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While this tournament was a disaster, since it had mainly players that never touched DbD, a tournament per se isn´t a bad idea.
I mean, imagine a CS or LoL tournament with people that never played any of those games. Same result.
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Who thought it was a great idea to let new people participate in a 350k tournament, is beyond me.
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Only watched the intro.
I've never seen such a big failure lmao
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Yeah. I won't disagree here at all. That said:
This.
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But also, it had like 500K viewers.
That's a lot of people who have seen people have a HORRIFIC first experience with DBD.
If I were watching Shroud, who is by all accounts a GOAT at pretty much every game, have such a God awful experience with DBD, there is no way in hell I'm playing it
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Shroud and Tru3 seem to be getting more and more bitter towards this game - which I think partly comes down to the community being awful and partly familiarity breeding contempt.
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The video didn’t really seem to explain anything about the tournament in the intro but from the logo and a Google search it was an AT&T event where streamers played five different video games, one of which was DbD. I have no idea how much involvement Behaviour had with the tournament, although it seems pretty likely their marketing department would have worked with AT&T on it in case people has questions about the game and to help promote it if they wanted. The super complicated tournament rules for DbD seem kind of bizarre to me though so I don’t know if Behaviour was involved in that part of it or not, that seems more like something from an unofficial tournament organizer. 🤷♂️
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Boy, sure would've been a lot less embarrassing if DbD had a "tournament" game mode the players could've turned on, with all the limitations pre-programmed in.
But who in a world would spend time making a new game mode? That'd be CRAZY. They have to spend their time NOT putting in search/sort options on all those 200 perks. And even more time NOT making a balance changes to character/skin/perk selections. And let's not forget the back-breaking work it takes to NOT make the game's core systems transparent, especially in the new tutorial.
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I had to Google who Mizkif is, I guess he was the guy throwing the chair? If he’s like that on streams I have no interest.
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Who the hell did come up with this stupid idea to let some completely new players play an assymetrical game as a 350k tounament? This lacks soo much professionality from those organizers, they must be really bad as company. To be honest, the other 4 games were fighting/shooter games that are fundamentally different in gameplay. DbD can be played competitive by players that know how to play it, BUT DbD on tournament is also fundamentally different then casual gameplay, especially by their made up rules that shifts the gameplay entirely.
Using this "tournament" as example for competitive gameplay is even more hilarious then playing dbd competitive in first place.
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New players aren't going to have a good time playing a tournament in any game they haven't played before, especially dbd which doesn't really have any transferable skills like FPS or MOBA
The confusion when they realise there's no in-game options for things like frame rate or the ability to search for one of the many perks is a bit...embarrassing...though
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streamers often make the game look bad, tournament or not. Hell, some of the fog whisperers in this game are worse.
personally, I like watching these big streamers struggle in a game.
Shows, sure they can play those FPS games, but when it comes to other PVP games,... well,... the salt is a mountain.
I bought DBD because it was not like those other games ;)
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lmao "I HAVE TO PRETEND TO WALK AWAY"
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PLEASE let this be a wake-up call to BHVR
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Yeah, if I was taking part in a $350k tournament for a game with which I am not familiar, I wouldn't practice, do any research into the game or even read the rules of the tournament before playing.
The game might not be very welcoming to new players, but there is only so much that BHVR can do to mitigate such galactic levels of stupidity.
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What makes DBD extremely awful is how it has be been balanced. Survivor perks use to be insane and extremely strong. They are mainly perks that are available any player starting off and they are the best perks in the game. That's not to say the new survivor perks are bad, but the they are more balanced. By comparison the new killer perks are far stronger then the survivor perks, as killer perks have been getting stronger over time. So new killers will need to buy a lot of DLC to get the better perks, which will require far more time commitment the survivors.
So yeah the New DBD player experience is weird and awful.
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Honestly not really a game for big time streamers too much grind and queue times to give usually 30000 plus viewers content
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Not really surprising. The new player experience, grind, and QoL options are horrendous. Plus BHVR moves at an absolutely glacial pace (if they move at all) when a change doesn't have a dollar sign attached to it. They've kneecapped their own growth so much and it makes no sense.
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mmr makes it competitive.
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No but just knowing it's there and with data mining you can.
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It's a buch of noobs playing in a tourney setting with rules that make zero sense to someone with absolutely no knowledge of the game.
What could possibly go wrong?
Also it's no surprising the winners were the ones that practiced with a veteran player.
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I don't think "balance" has anything to do with this particular video. These were all streamers who had apparently never played Dead by Daylight before or barely played it at all playing against each other. Balance issue for perks only matter among veteran players who make few mistakes.
The biggest problem with this tournament is what is the deal with the tournament rules?? I can't even find a copy of the actual rules for this tournament at all anywhere on Google, and apparently they had a bunch of overly complicated rules on what they could use and do and all sorts of other nonsense that has nothing to do with just playing the game normally. Who in their right mind would think a tournament with a bunch of DbD newbies using ultra high level unofficial tournament nonsense perk bans and such was a good idea? 🙄
I didn't bother watching more than a bit of this video though, it's way too cheesy and some of the streamers seem pretty annoying.
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This tournament was a joke. Yes DBD has its problems but acting like the organization of this tournament wasn't a complete farce is laughable
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There were also 4 other games(5 in total) to practice with a 7 day notice.
So that's 1.4 days to practice barely 1 day for each game when you consider their jobs and needing to sleep.
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This is one of those "No duh" videos. Anyone that's played a real comp game, 1v1 or team based game knows right off the bat that this game is not ready for prime time tournament action. It may have some depth.. but c'mon.
Shroud has already said a long time ago that this game wasn't for him. That thumbnail was damn funny though.
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Just shows how unnewbie friendly it is.
All the "rules" just made it far worse.
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Tournaments and comp wouldn't be so bad if the meta hasn't been the same boring schlock for 6 years.
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Ok? Thanks for you input?
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You’re welcome
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lmfao that was painful to watch
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One team was one of the former winners of this AT&T tournament. His team was coached for a week by Dowsey.
This team was the only one with some real clues how to play. They destroyed the other teams most of the time. They also won the tournament. And they had some fun.
Some killers and (a lot of) perks were banned and they were only allowed to use a perk once in team.
It was kinda funny to watch - but every normal thinking person would really not let completely new players of your game compete in a tournament. Some didn´t know anything what happened and therefore had a really bad experience.
But i like the idea with the tournaments.
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Yeah, they summed up pretty much everything wrong with the game in one "tournament".
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