Congratulations on COMPLETELY killing GF!

Undetectable only works on oblivious people, not the ones with the status effect actual oblivious people, and regarding chase yes m1 killers can force some pallets or get hits but for that to happen the loop has to be incredibly unsafe or the survivor has to mess up, you will prop down them eventually but if they arent throwing they should las at least a minute in chase.

You’re wrong about it only working on clueless people. I catch otherwise good survivors all the time when I’m Undetectable. You just have to use cover on approaches to block lines of sight. A common mistake killers make when Undetectable is just coming straight in toward generators and such. You’re not invisible, you just can’t be heard as easily. So you need to use cover on approach to get as close as possible before being spotted. Also sidestepping toward the spot mitigates the alerts from Spine Chill. You won’t get grabs on people paying attention but you can definitely get close enough to make the ensuing chase very short.

And no, chases do not last 60 seconds on average unless the killer is messing up. My chases are more like 20-40 seconds typically with normal killers between when the survivor starts running and the pallet drop or hit. A 60 second chase is a sign you messed up as killer.

P.S. To clarify, I mean 20-40 seconds until either a hit or a pallet drop. In the beginning of the match you obviously get a lot of pallet drops initially versus hits.

How do you kill what was already dead

To be fair a lot of the killer main streamers have already lost the chase against that 1 minute exposed timer. If the survivor gets into a good loop and doesnt insta drop the pallet they can prolong the chase pretty well + that all mighty DH being in play almost everytime.

So yeah not everyone plays badly so its very possible to not get a down in 1 minute, but good killers do not continue chasing these kind of survivors and find the weaker links first.

Ghostface is weak and im saying this with heavy heart since i love him and i used to main him. I'll stick with my huntress for now until something massive happens in the game.

"Congratulations on COMPLETELY killing GF!"

-Pyramid Head to James Sunderland upon first seeing him

yes i know she was his wife

I think here is the misunderstanding I count the 60 seconds till the survivor goes down as thats when thr killer wins the chase. I firmly believe you cannot go down in less than 60 s against m1 killers if you are semi decent at dbd. Now that being said a lot of people somehow dont know how to run tiles but that doesnt make m1 killers good it just mean they can beat bad players.

Right, I thought we might be talking about different things, that's why I tried to clarify above I'm talking about how long it takes from the start of a chase to either a hit or a pallet drop and not how long it takes to get a down by just chasing someone and continuing to chase them. Timing wise it's basically if Ghost Face finds you they typically can get a hit or force the pallet pretty quickly depending on how close they managed to get before you spot them. If you're Marked or injured then a hit is a down, otherwise it's just an injure obviously. What the 60 second mark does is gives you a chance to get that hit before the mark expires, and even if you don't manage to chase that survivor or get a hit or just a get a pallet drop at some point it still indirectly benefits you since that survivor can't knock you out of stealth for those 60 seconds either which might give you an additional opportunity to ambush someone else instead. (Plus when you Mark someone they almost always panic and, even if you're not chasing them right away, they get off the generator and hide for a bit which is some extra slowdown for you. Especially if they panic right when a skill check hits and it explodes, that's the best. 😄)

Ghost Face's main weakness in fact, I think, is he has no map mobility so if the survivors are all spread out he'll have a tougher time pressuring more than one at a time. (It's the same weakness Pig has for instance, and why I think Sadako and Wraith have a bit of an edge on both of them. ) His Stealth and Marks make him a bit less reliant on long chases but they don't really help him in the macro game of exerting pressure over a large area.

I agree. Revealing makes sense as a deterrence mechanic, not unlike Sadako's 7 pips. Obviously not to the same extreme, so reveals should actually be more of a possibility, but mostly just to direct how GhF conducts that prechase interaction and not to consistently achieve it. It gives everyone involved direction and sound ques, encourages GhF bob and weave behind terrain, and all in all gives GhF encounters some personality while ever so slightly rewarding the survivor for being aware at a distance.

I think tunnel visioning on the survivor experience of actually succeeding at a reveal really undermines how difficult and luck based it is to remain entirely unnoticed against four people with substantially better camera angles than you. It just ends up being excessive and makes GhF's power feel at the beck and call of the survivors.

This people had to be actively throwing to gift a gf a 3k while having a bnp and some decent perks.