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David being gay felt extremely forced
Please don't move this to feedback.
At least I feel like it was. The fact that they made an entire TWITTER post about it was unnecessary. I, as a bi man, feel like if LGBTQ is going to be looked upon as normal in society, then we can start by not making such a big deal over gay characters in media. Even his Tome cutscene felt a little forced. My point is, the entire reveal felt more like a stunt for respect rather than actual representation. Notice how when Felix was said to have a wife and a kid it was in his lore casually. Things like that. Whenever there are straight characters in this game it's pretty much always put low-key in their lore. So I feel that it was kinda strange to make such a big deal out of this.
Tldr: it seems weird how when their is a presumed straight character in DBD there isn't any sort of twitter post about it, it is put in their lore but when there is finally an LGBT character it is made as a bigger deal than something it is not.
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Another David post about his sexuality.
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Eh, I'm just saying my opinion tbh.
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I wonder if they'd pin a post where the poster criticizes bhvr's choice 🤔. Two sides of a coin after all.
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Yeah they probably could have handled it better. I do believe bhvr was trying to do the right thing
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There are no opinions apparently
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We BOTH know that won't happen. As a matter of fact if they do, I will literally never post in general ever again.
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It still was just a Twitter post among hundreds, it’s not like they don’t post on twitter pretty much daily.
it was made a bigger deal of because their initial stand on this topic was exclusion (while still including heterosexuality). They made an announcement almost two years ago apologizing for their (unintentional) mistake and they have since revealed they were working with GaymerX on implementing representation in a not harmful way. The post and website blog are just them being proud of their work and showcasing it, you may not like it but there are reasonable reasons to post this.
now on David himself, it isn’t forced at all as far as I know, rereading the initial lore and first tome story made me realize that this could have been something thought about from the beginning, it ties story elements well together. Of course you might not agree with this subjective perception, but you surely see this is subjective and it’s not as forced as people want to make it out to be.
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Move on already...
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Idc about David being gay, I hope it helps others feel included and recognized.
I really dislike how BHVR basically advertised it.
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Very simple, yet powerful.
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Oh my gosh, Stroggz told me to move on, what will I ever do!!!
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Please don't move this to feedback.
Just in case it is gonna get moved let it be known I requested it :)
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We can always imagine a post from the opposite side getting some recognition, even if it isn't this one.
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This is the point I and others have been trying to make. I'm glad to see you talking about because I think you've said it as plainly and simply as possible. It all too often feels like the strong desire to represent lgbtq has turned into a circus rather than being substantive and genuine. If you want to normalize or represent something you think isn't normalized yet then why does it have to be done this way? Why can't it as you said just be put in the lore in the same way everything else is without doing the whole all eyes and ears on me approach trying to convince the world you care about representation. I've been labeled a homophobe for having dissenting opinions over this, but I never label them for seeing it different than me or for doing that to me. The hatred is insane and I all too often feel like if I don't go along with it and have the same views then I'm the bad guy. I don't even feel comfortable mentioning my own sexuality or other things like my faith in fear of being labeled and attacked.
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Only issue I have is the tweet tbh. Letting people figure it out through reading the tome would’ve been better imo
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If you want to normalize or represent something you think isn't normalized yet then why does it have to be done this way?
its really simple: because it isn’t normalized yet and BHVR had changed their stand on this after being unintentionally excluding anything LGBTQ+ related while having multiple heterosexual relationships added kn lore.
i am VERY sure they won’t make a twitter post or announcement any time in the future when an LGBTQ+ character get added (or an existing character gets revealed)y. IF they continue to do so I will definitely call them out for that as well. But in this case as it is their first representation and the direct result from their collaboration with GaymerX, it’s really disturbing how people that want their opinion heard without ever hearing anything that might not be kn line with their own point of view can’t even acknowledge that there ARE reasonable reasons to announce it (acknowledging that would not be the same to agree it was a good decision, no one said you people have to like it)
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I would argue that it is normalized in many places in the world, and even more so online. I feel like when it is done in more subtle ways just like everything else there isn't as much or even if any controversy about it. Have they considered that not everyone who identifies as lgbtq wants to be represented like this or even at all? Regardless if you feel it isn't normalized or not, treat it like it is. At the end of the day most people just want to mind their own business and go about their lives not worrying about what other people are doing.
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A lot of people don't read lore though. Might not have generated the same buzz. They should've had lgbt+ rep from the start so them announcing it through Twitter 6 years after the game's release feels a little... insincere maybe? Better late then never I suppose. Still great news regardless.
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i would argue it isn’t. As evidenced by the reaction of the community right here.
there are people only criticizing the announcement, sure. But there are also plenty of complaints against LGBTQ+ as well, it feeling forced that it was David because he doesn’t seem gay or didn’t have any hints towards it etc. These are complaints rooted in homophobia.
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How it was tied into the lore itself is fine. It adds an extra dynamic to a character and this can be good thing. Similarly the inclusion of LGBTQ+ characters helps find people who players can identify with, and that's what you want then that's fine.
However, the issue with David King is this. Firstly why didn't they do this with say Mikaela Reid? I don't believe she has a tone yet, or even whenever the next chapter after the Oringo? David feels like the worst pick because he is both a character who has been around for a long time, and had already been implied to be heterosexual. Lets be honest it was a deliberate choice. The new characters tend to be forgotten due to the now oversaturated amount of characters. David is popular and recognisable. As I stated the lore itself is not an issue, and the fact that he had female relationships in the past is fine, as many people go through a similar journey. However everything about the situation feels deliberate, and calculated. I saw somebody comment something a while ago, that the only reason behaviour sent out the tweet, was to thank gaymerX for the help with I believe David's backstory. But let's be real, behaviour is not stupid, they don't tweet out things without thinking about the repercussions. They wanted people talking about this because its good publicity. Its interesting that as many people have pointed out, behaviour originally wanted to take a neutral stance on this for many years. Then fairly recently with SBMM, the player base started having massive amounts of drops in players. It is completely coincidental that they changed their stance, and drew mass publicity through this.
I am not a conspiracy theorist, and it may be entirely by chance. However the person, they picked, the timing, the fact they drew attention through social media. If this was all by chance somebody really needs to go to behaviour and legitimately asked what they are doing, because how could it not feel forced.
Ultimately I am happy that players feel like somebody represents them, and I hope behaviour does not change their stance on David King. I just wish that in future, Behaviour and anyone else trying to increase representation thinks about how they do it, because it does matter.
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Yep. I said yesterday in another thread that I think most people who play DBD will probably never even know David King is gay. The only reason I found out was because I saw it on the dbd twitter page which I rarely go to. To me it was like here is who you thought David King was and now here's who he really is which isn't the David King I've known all this time. To me he was someone else. Someone I saw him as and someone I wanted him to be. It just seems better this way.
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David is still David though. All that's changed is that canonically, he's into dudes. I don't get what you mean.
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Drippy Ichigo does not approve
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Well yeah because it got moved to feedback.
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I don’t even know who that is so I can live with it.
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Yeah it’s great to have. I don’t want to speak for lgbt people here but I feel like finding it out through reading the archive that slowly developes would feel much better than them just saying “yeah he’s gay” basically
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I don't think people seeming to think David King isn't gay before this is rooted in homophobia. I think a lot of it is just based on people's experiences and perspectives they've had throughout life. I know I've said before it isn't nice to assume things about people but sometimes things just seem obvious to people. It doesn't mean they're right or wrong and it certainly doesn't mean they are any kind of phobe.
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He also comes from the best anime on the planet.
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Well, there's a chance they announced it for David because he's the first character who's officially lgbt+. They may just start including it in lore without saying anything in the future.
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I didn't see him as gay before is all I meant. I do recall reading his information page in game awhile back and never saw anything that implied he was or could have been.
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I mean, alright. People don't always give off signs though. From what I've heard, it's not unheard of for gay men to be so deeply in the closet that they actually get into heterosexual relationships. David not showing signs of being gay is something that can and does happen IRL.
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well. those experiences and perspectives are still homophobic. And I am NOT saying those people are inherently bad people for it. Heck even I can make homophobic statements now and then. No one is perfect. The difference is I can reflect on my own behavior and see the problems arising from it.
also I didn’t say they are homophobic for not thinking he is gay. Don’t twist my words here. I said people that now complain it feels forced/slapped on etc because there wasn’t a hint before are making homophobic statements - even if those are not intentionally homophobic.
Representation is needed for normalizing the topic in peoples minds and one part of that normalization is finally getting rid of those stereotypes. You don’t have to act a certain way or have certain experiences in your life to be gay - even not if you are a fictional character. David is gay. That’s not forced. It’s part of his story. We even have a forum member sharing their story and how it is similar to David’s. (And before bringing it up: this is not comparable to Rowling announcing Dumbledore is gay years after the story was already finalized)
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Just for clarification: Homophobia isn’t an either/or / black or white case. And it certainly is not an actual phobia at all. Being called an homophobe for making homophobic statements isn’t an insult or attack. If you get called that maybe instead of victimizing yourself try to reflect on what you commented and how others may feel about those comments, especially if they are personally involved with the topic.
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It's as I've said, David being gay probably hadn't been intended originally.
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There is no proof either way and just assuming it and then acting like it’s written in stone doesn’t help.
and he didn’t need to have been intended to be gay from the beginning - it’s part of his story now and the story isn’t contradicting itself at all
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Him being intended to be gay from the start makes his story (and the companies attempt at representation) more genuine in my opinion and overall better.
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great that you acknowledge that it’s in your opinion and don’t state it’s an objective fact.
sure you can look at it that way. IMO it would be just limiting themselves for future tome story’s if they couldn’t add new stuff to their characters. Also Wraith got that mention about him and Nurse being a thing and I am pretty sure he wasn’t inherently intended to be straight/into women during his creation process either.
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Homophobia is technically subjective.
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I don't wanna sound like a hater, but do you think they'd pin a post where a LGBT member gave a heartfelt criticism like they did the other post and reply with meaningful comments?
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I don’t wanna be a hater but… why should they?
also, yeah still possible if the criticism was actually formulated respectfully and constructive and doesn’t boil down to ‚I am fine with all the heterosexual relationships but now you have crossed the line‘…
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Whenever I saw the pinned post I'd hoped someone would make a follow up, but in criticism format. This is the closest thing right now as far as I've seen.
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The post is not pinned because it agrees with our company line, but because it highlights the importance of representation - I'm sorry that you are unable to see that.
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