The nerf on Sprint burst and self-care...

@Twix said:
Sprint Burst Change: I'd go about it a little bit differently, instead of not letting you recover while running - it should be changed so that it won't let you recover while performing an action. (Repairing, healing, etc)
Why? Because the main problem with SB is survivors waiting for the killer to get near them and then run away to a pallet, so by not letting them recover while performing an action it'll make it so SB won't be back up if you're repairing a generator.

Selfcare Change: The current change that is being planned out is a little too much, instead, make it so you get specific checkpoints at 35% and 75%, so let's say you start healing and get to 20% then it would reset, but if you get to 45% it would reset to the checkpoint. (35%)
Why? Because if you lose the killer and go to a corner to heal and you're in at like 70% and he finds you again it would reset your healing to 0% and that's just too much of a nerf and with what I've proposed it won't let you pallet loop and heal, because it will still reset, but to specific checkpoints.

What are your thoughts on this? :thinking:

I absolutely agree with that. This way the nerf on SB is way more reasonable and balanced.
And the idea with SC would also fix an other issue as well: If you managed to escape the killer and start healing yourself with SC and then one of your teammates wants to heal you (as he needs the emblem points as well) it would not have been a complete waste of time as it would only reset to 35 or 75%. It would be disgraceful if in this case it resets to 0% only because you wanted to give the teammate the cChance to heal you.

For the killer mains: STOP THINKING THAT YOU MUST WIN EVERY SINGLE GAME AND WHEN YOU DON'T YOU COME
HERE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW POWERFUL SURVIVOR PERKS ARE.

Killer perks nerf when? Why devs listen killers only?

weirdkid5 said:

As a Survivor main who has used Sprint Burst since Day 1, I approve of this change. It makes it so you cannot get clutch sprints anymore, you have to earn them by stopping occasionally.

Self Care change is also awesome, no more freedom from nonsense. Feels good m8.

What was the DS change?

ShadowClaw said:

The exhaustion change i agree with, however I feel the self care change would be more balanced going along the direction of, if you stop healing your heal state starts to degrade like if you were bleeding out over instantly resetting.

I don't hate the self care, it's fine but I think this is a way better idea!! Good thinkin'

@Twix said:
No wonder this game will never be balanced... Killers cry and they get all they want, hatch, pallet, perks etc and then Survivors cry and they get all they want. Back and forth between both parties will not balance anything, I agree SB/SC/DS need nerfs, but not to be nerfed so bad that it's probably better to use something else.

Agreed. Everybody thinks they deserve to win 100% of the time (4K or 4 escapes) so the game developers continue to tinker around with perks instead of adjusting any of the real issues: the ranking system, the matching system, how easy it is to cheat in-game, etc, or updating the game for console. It's pretty irritating.

I think that SC should be token based. The SB nerf is fine.

Self Care is eh... Sprint Burst should be running while in a CHASE but otherwise stay the same.

@Jack11803 said:

@Peanits said:
I like 'em. You really shouldn't get sprint burst twice in a chase. The one thing I might want to see changed is for recovery from exhaustion caused by addons while sprinting. That way getting hit with one exhaustion addon doesn't make things like Dead Hard or Lithe completely pointless, but still delays them until the exhaustion wears off. Self afflicted exhaustion is fair game, I don't think you should be using sprint burst more than once unless you lost the killer for a substantial amount of time during the chase.

Self care, I'm also okay with. I never had a problem going against it in the first place, but apparently I'm alone there. The only thing this changes is healing in a chase, which is something that I'm totally okay with seeing go considering how long chases can be if someone just loops.

I think the main backlash is vigil being much more useless, and the weaker exhaustion perks being weakened

They could just buff vigil by 5% across the board I guess.

@TeambossFloze said:

@Lowbei said:
the changes are fine. adapt or die.

If a survivor said this to every killer post there would be a riot on the forum. This kind of response is not helpful.

I don't like the fact sprint burst and self care are a must on every perk set up...so im happy for the change (I play both survivor and killer and I see a benefit for both teams)

Well you must be new since it's what survivor told (back in the day) when killer complained about infinite like this one
Or when people complained about old ds that was instant for every survivor
Or when people complained about old borrowed time
Or when people complained that all the window of the wretched shop where open making it litteraly impossible to catch someone there
Or when people complain that looping is boring
It even created meme with people answering any complaint by just break the pallet because at one point some survivor where unironicaly saying it to answer complaint about pallet looping.
Most often than not the people that tell other to adapt to those where also people that declared every single killer OP and voted for the doctor to be reworked thinking it meant nerfing him.

And yes it is unhelpful

@TeambossFloze
Not only do they complain to damn much but more often than not like I pointed the people that say to the other side to adapt (that be either for new thing no matter if they are fair or not or actual gameplay flaw) tend to be huge hypocrite that will only say to people to adapt to a change only when the change doesn't affect them.
To go back on topic now
Imo the change to SC, Exhaustion perk and DS are fine, they where long waited and I hope the meta will finally switch around since it as been stall for pretty much over 1 year and a half now.

I also welcome the change to whisper as a stealthy survivor but I think they should also do something incase the last survivor doesn't try to do objectif or get out since finding a survivor that doesn't try to do the objectif is pretty hard and I had multiple time survivor hide for 30/40 minute to spit me because I managed to kill every one before enought gen popped for the hatch to spawn.(funny enought most of the time those survivor had username that related to Ochido)

Same goes for calm spirit that way maybe the survivor that complain about the doctor 24 hours a day will finally stop complaining and slot it instead.

The only change I don't really like is the tinkerer one I find the new effect doesn't go well with the name of the perk and the effect sound more like what Surveillance should have been.

And the change to freddy they talked about like reducing action speed to 0% during the dream transition and speeding up the dream transition will make it so he can actually defend gen and totem instead of having them being fixed in his face.

Molotow said:

Killer perks nerf when? Why devs listen killers only?

Wolf74 said

1. The main issue with SC stays, UNLIMITED uses.