Campers *facepalm*

Yeah, the people who do that are like when you hear complaints about BBQ and how it gives away auras at 40m+ away. Yes, and to act on that information the survivors are guaranteed a safe unhook. Why complain?

I get tunnelled too as surv, it happens. I get into the next mat6ch and continue to play. I have over 1000 hours on surv side Ive been camped, tunneled, etc.... happened last night. But I dont think its a design flaw. Using breakable doors to address map design is a design flaw ;)

Oh so now we’re at “endgame” huh? Always trying to fit a situation to fit your narrative.

Stop trying to steer the conversation. You say that BT gets brought because survivors like to play recklessly and don’t care if the killer turns their back but never because they have been camped for the millionth time in a row right? Nah never because of that at all. Survivors must just really love this perk and not want to use other perk builds. 😂

On the last question, yes I have played with good survivors, they also don’t just dive bomb hooks simply because they have a perk that gives endurance for the next 12 seconds. Have you played against good killers? Because they will wait the 12 seconds.

the problem with all your "camping is fine, just do gens and get out"-solutions:

Why the heck should anyone play this game then? If you could make the game better (balancing it out and then delete camping and tunneling), why not doing it and instead just resorting to the old bad stuff? Like who says at work "Oh i'm so happy i can play dbd tonight, doing 3 gens alone and get out/ watching someone dying on hook". Just because there is counterplay doesn't mean the game is perfectly fine and fun. One of the reasons this game lost nearly half of it's playerbase from last summer is that issues like this are not resolved. I played solo q for the first time since weeks and it's absolutely horrible. They need to change a lot of things to make it worth playing, i will stick to killer and playing kyf scrims with friends until then...

Where in what I posted did you note I was upset?

I literally play survivor every day, I play both killer and surv in rotation everyday. You can stop trying to paint this as us vs them since you cannot debate what I actually posted.

My post was entirely based on strats in a PVP game. My words were simple and not anger based at all, I assume you just saying this to derail the convo because I brought up valid points about tactics.

What you perceive as "bitterness" was me trolling you about wanting bot killers to react the way you want.

Don't take it so personal.

I´m not trying to fit a narrative or anything. It was never specified WHEN the killer camps. What narrative are you trying to fit? That camping killers are OP? Or that survivors need more stuff to deal with camping?

So you´re saying that survivors actually hate DS and BT? That they just take them, because they have no choice and instead would prefer to take something else, more powerful? I guess you just started playing after the DS nerf, before that, survivors weaponized DS to finish a gen in front of the killer.

Good killers wait the 12 seconds? Mhhh i´ll try to remember that, while every healthy survivor does a line up, protecting the injured survivor on the way to the gate.

I never said survivors hated DS and BT.

So now you're bringing up old DS? This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. How do you go from saying that survivors aren't forced to bring DS or BT → to → "OH but they do it during Endgame!" → to → Survivors weaponized old DS. As if that is suppose to counter argue? my point about survivors wanting to bring OTHER builds not necessarily stronger ones, but because they see camping so much they opt not to.

You know in order for DS to work the killer has to go for the person recently unhooked right? Like, I am just wondering now.

Oh i can read between the lines. Your point of survivors being "forced" to equip BT and DS because they get camped. Is invalidated by the sheer fact that survivor used the old weaponized DS when they didn´t fear being camped. They took it to troll the killer.

Btw. the DS timer is 60 seconds. Which can be a very long time, when the killer gets hook intensive matches. Where he still gets hit by DS, even when he hooked someone else in between. Happens quite often to Otz.

Look, i understand how frustrating it must be for you, when you get camped at 5 gens. But that just gives the other survivors time to complete gens. Since a camping killer is a passive killer. You don´t have to take BT or DS. In fact, i only equip BT when i have a challenge to get X amount of save rescues. Not because i hook dive, more because some of my teammates have the bad habit of running straight to the killer. So feel free to take other perks instead of BT and DS. It might require a change in play, but as you said: "good killers wait out the timer" means they also expect a BT, when you don´t have it. Same happend to DS. Killers always respect the DS, even when there is none in play.

If you really want the killers to camp less, then ask the devs to revert the Undying nerf. Because in the time between the release of Undying and its nerf. The amount of camping threads on this forum was on a record low. For the simple reason that every killer who wanted to get anything out of the Undying Ruin combo, had to constantly move, spread damage and patrol gens. Aka not camping. It was a glorious time. I loved it back then, even when i had to cleanse 5 hex totems on my own. But somehow other people didn´t like the gameplay and demanded the Undying nerf. I even advised against it, since i predicted that camping would increase. Wanna know what i got in response? "i prefer a camping killer over the free win of Undying Ruin".

When I play survivor I feel obligated to bring BT every time because 9 times out of 10 if I unhook someone and the killer ends up coming right back because they weren't straying far from the hook at all, or were just camping it outright, the killer is going to immediately attack the person that just got unhooked.

And that's just boring. I unhooked them, chase me I like being chased, Its fun! I don't even use Dead Hard.

Other than the eye test (which is really limiting because you only see other solo teammates briefly), there is no way to reliably gauge the skill of other players. Being iri 1 doesn't mean nothing, but damn near. Grade is an indicator of time played, and time played is often a corollary of skill, but some of the worst players I've gone again in recent months have been iri 1. I have absolutely steamrolled teams of all iri 1's and 2's (who played like babies), but been rinsed by teams all in bronze/silver.

Any potato with enough free time can hit iri 1. A good player can get there quickly, but there's no way of knowing one from the other.

Which is why BHVR chose to hide grade; people were getting worked up about the grade of their matched teammates when it really isn't indicative of much. That was probably for the best.

I mean it's kind of stupid to even have a grade system that is independent of actual matchmaking criteria, but that's another discussion. I'm sure with time and effort BHVR could create a system that used measurable criteria to gauge skill, but have chosen not to.

What's the basekit strategy to gen tunneling?