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Surv, why are you hating Legion?
You guys will get in a hissy fit about legion and say he/she is boring but dont get bored of Nurse or Blight or Huntress!?
I just had 2 surv DC and rob their teammates. Like why!? Its ONE killer that needed this buff. I dont understand how he/she is the killer that everyone should immediately say is boring and just DC over as soon as you get hit by a frenzy. However, Huntress boring broken hitbox hatchets, Nurse defeats every aspect of looping, and Blight just gets the upper hand for catching you before you can even have space to breath.
Why not accept the meta of killer change instead of playing against the same top 3 killers forever?
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No, everyone complains about those Killers too.
Its just mending is even more unfun.
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I don't think it's Legion, I think it's the *amount* of Legions playing at the moment. I've seen people report having 5+ games in a row of Legion since the buff. I think once the novelty wears off and people go back to using a variety of other killers then survivors will stop DCing. I played against a Legion last night and no one DC'd, which was nice.
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I’ll take any of those over Legion, actually (especially Nurse!). Thankfully I have yet to face even one since the buff. He’s very boring, his power is basically just to draw the match out for an extra 10 minutes. Yawn.
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Because I don’t see Nurse or Blight or Huntress 2 out of 3 every matches like I did with Legion right after they got buffed.
Also, the other killers you mention aren’t designed around making matches last as long as possible. Legion is the worst to play against because it’s just a never-ending cycle of mend/stab/mend.
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Agree, it not that legion is boring, is just thay getting the same killers over and over in a game with 26 killers does get boring
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They only hate him because hes becoming more common now. He was still a mend sim before but little people played him.
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I think it's largely due to burn out. There's been alot of Legion's post buff.
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Survivors still don't understand that splitting up is key.
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"Survivors still dont know how to split up" says kid with a squeaky voice.
You obviously only play SWF but a lot of of us play solo.
Solo is in a worse state then killer right now.
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Solo isn't great, but it's decidedly worse the lower rank you are. I am not top rank by any stretch, but most of the players I get matched with have enough game sense to split up (or at least try to) when it's apparent it's the Legion.
Honestly, games against the new Legion are harder but still fairly easy, it's just that there are so many people playing them now, and they're just stronger enough to get some extra hits without winning.
This of course leads to some of the most tedious wins ever. So. Much. Mending.
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I still see team mates in solo queue crouching behind walls and rocks when a Legion is on a chain frenzy like they don't know they're hiding there.
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For me its how much legions just target change over and over and over without downing anyone and near enough no cooldown to their power with full slowdown perks. SO it turns into stalemate of doing no gens, killer instinct was used as a way to locate survivors now people are using it incorrectly to just keep applying deep wounds more than before trying to get the instant down. Killer instinct is the issue, maybe it should only reveal the initial location of nearby survivors, not constantly. Albeit with the addition of being able to see scratch marks.
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Just facing them like 3 times in a row gets kinda boring after a while. They never were an especially fun killer to begin with, with their power kinda requiring them to just stab you and leave chase.
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If I could swap every legion I get lately for a blight, I would
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I've gotten Legion I think twice since the update and the only difference I have noticed is his chase music and terror radius. Still feels like the same old Legion to me.
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I had two people hide in lockers yesterday while Legion was on a chain frenzy - they ofc got grabbed out of them......
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Legion was boring before the buff. Legion is still boring after the buff. Only difference is, everyone and their mother is playing them now. So it's jst back to back mending sims which is...so boring lmao.
I genuinely feel like I just get unlucky when I hear people say "I've only faced 2 Legions since the update." Like please give me ur luck I'm begging.
It was the same thing with Nemesis for awhile. I'm convinced the game sees which killers I absolutely despise at any given moment and decides to pair me with people queued up as them until I lose my sanity.
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Survivors hate EVERY killer (except for Hillbilly).
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Well, i just had the most boring game i ever had with a legion.
But it wasnt even the legions fault, my fellow survivors were just stupid.
Basicly, the killer would hit us all, and before they got to a gen, they would not only mend, but fully heal up. Again, and again, and again. At the same time, the legion didnt get much downs. so, nothing really happend in this game at all. After about 30 minutes, with 2 hooks and one gen done, i just gave up and went afk.
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Because Hillbilly is a good boy that actually has a fun power.
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I hate hillbilly too
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Me too blight it fun
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Hillbilly is boring, killers like demogorgon blight Oni (when they are not just using their power to camp hooks) pyramid head as super fun for me
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It really boils down to one thing.
Legion goes against the healing meta. CoH boons mean nothing in a Legion match, they are used to the same game over and over. Shift W, get hit, Shift w to boon and heal. Repeat. They simply cannot play against Legion playstyle.
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I actually really like playing against Legion most of the time. You can do fun stuff when he's in his Frenzy and other than that, he's a basic M1 killer and those are fun.
The only thing that sucks is that I'm very aggressive so I'm the first one to get found and I almost never get chased because of it lmao
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Obviously you have seen the threads where people complain. Why did you not just read them and start a new thread instead?
For me, Legion-games are super-boring because they take far too long. I would rather get crushed by a god Nurse or a Alchemist Ring/Blighted Crow-Blight in 3 minutes than playing a Legion-game which lasts 10 times longer.
Really, a lot for Survivors to do is holding M1. This is fine, this is how the game is designed. However, mending adds more M1, but it does not progress the game. And it also is not really a fun chase, since a Legion in frenzy will get a Hit in and then runs away, so the only thing you can do is wait until you are out of their TR and mend.
Then there are other Slowdown-Perks - Thanatophobia alone increases Gens from 80 seconds to 96 seconds. Add in Pain Resonance and PGTW and Gens take forever as well.
And at some point, ressources are just gone, which makes it also pretty easy for Legion to get Downs.
But the main point is really that Legion-games just take painfully long. This is nothing new, this has always been the case. They are a terrible designed Killer which should have never left QA, but still we are stuck with this mess. And it is not even that they are a really strong Killer, Legion is B-Tier at best...
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I do kinda get it. Legion making Survivors mend does make the game take longer... but like... how is that bad? I'd rather be in a long pretty even Legion match than end up against a killer of any description who decides to tunnel and camp and get somebody out of the game asap. At least with Legion, I'll get to actually play the game since their power encourages not tunneling or camping.
Also as far as people playing them goes... I personally quite like M1 killer gameplay and looping. Problem is that it is nowhere near fast enough to be competitive. Legion fixes that problem by having deep wounds that buys them time for their M1 gameplay.
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I've had some brilliant games against Legion lately, and a few terrible ones where I've been tunnelled out. But it balances out.
The main reason is I'd like something other than Legion. 2 out of 3 games are Legion these days.
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The real reason should be obvious
A mobility killer can end a bad game quick
Legion cant even end a good game quick.
A bad game against Legion will be drawn out for over 10 minutes.
I'd much rather have a Nurse that kills our whole team in 3 minutes.
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To be fair to survivors, the perception is Legion games take a long time because, while they can get injuries efficiently, they are basic attack killers for the most part when it comes to getting downs on injured survivors so the chases to get downs can take a while. Couple that with a lot of stalling due to Mending and the match could maybe be longer than normal. (I don’t know if it’s actually longer or just a perception, it would be interesting to see stats on average game length by killer.)
On the flip side there’s also some survivors (not all) that seem to think the new Legion is overpowered, which I’m more skeptical of. Sure, they can get instant downs off chain hits more consistently now with Never Sleep Pills, but the process takes something like 60+ seconds per down doing that (5 chases at 10-20 seconds per chase) so it’s not like there’s not time for people to do gens if the Legion is committing to that.
Finally I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the complaints are from survivors who have up to this point been happily using healing strategies like Circle of Healing as their go to way to play. Legion has always been a character that probably the best strategy is simply to play the game injured to mitigate the usefulness of their Frenzy. (They can still Frenzy hit injured people to get info if they want, but they can’t get a down during it.) So I imagine there’s a few annoyed healers out there upset that Legion is popular at the moment.
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I got some news for people too, survivor mains love playing Legion.
People always think "those evil killer mains are only playing Legion"
No, survivor mains play him for BP and to collect salt from survivors too. Its is why Legion is one of the most popular killers and rakes in the cash with cosmetics.
Same goes for Camping Bubbas, often it is survivor mains playing him, there are numerous survivor streamers who do this. They are survivor mains but play Insidious Bubba on stream to be toxic.
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The survs hate the mending and I can understand that to a certain degree but people saying they should be getting a complete rework is outrageous and luckily bhvr isn't a big fan a total reworks either. While it's not super funny for the survs I freaking love legion because I love that running around and stabbing playstyle and they can extend the game so you actually have time to play how survs like us to do and don't tunnel or camp
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Cause getting hit, having to mend, and repeating this process after 20s is the most boring thing possible. Matches that would take like 7 Minutes take 15 Minutes with the same outcome. Legion is just a waste of time.
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i think survivors prefer massive slowdown build on nurse or blight and getting slug at 5 gens , than playing against legion i guess. 🤷
people tend to forgot that the instadown requires 4 survivors getting hit by legion , if only 1 survivors spread out correctly , them the instadown is not gonna happen ever (ALSO DH EXIST so you can bait the slash and DH to cancel their power)
The only thing i would give up is the mend taking more than intended thanks to "FILTHY BLADE"
(this addon is just boring to play and go againts) or either making mending take a bit less on base kit.
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I don't think it's got anything to do with that. Plague counters the healing meta far more effectively than Legion does but you don't see nearly as many complaints against her.
It's the constant tedious mending that makes Legion matches such a chore.
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You can refuse to give Plague her power, not so with Legion, his power counters the 4v1 and it throws people off.
You guys simply pick and choose what you dont feel like doing. Self care? 32 seconds, ah youll do that 10 times per match, after a 20+ second runn across entire map to get to a boon location,....but mending is too much.
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You can't deny a Plague her power. She gets at least one corrupt pool by default. Two or three if she decides to bring the apple add ons. But that's not the point. You said it was about the healing meta. What's the difference to being sick or being frenzy hit? Injured is injured. With a Legion you can still heal. Plague's infection doesn't allow healing and can punish cleansing.
Who says they enjoy constant self caring? You don't heal nearly as much as you need to mend in a Legion match. Most competent survivors don't even care about being injured. They have their dead hard and iron will usually. But having to constantly stop and mend is about as much fun as watching paint dry.
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If you are mending over and over and over, that Legion is memeing and going for instadowns. Probably survivor main in disguise. I always escape against those scrubs
Any true Legion is gonna deepwound you maybe 4 times. I dont play that run around entire map crap.
I often hit someone, they start mending in my face, I cancel and down them, so you not even gonna mend bro, you going on hook.
Dont worry the survivor mains playing legion right now playing that way will go back to Meg soon. Then youre left with those of us who actually know how to play Legion
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Most Legions constantly frenzy hit to get location info and knock people off gens. Being forced to mend is a time waster. The instadown is a gimmick that only works on potatoes. Don't think I've seen any complaints against that. Just like mending in Legion's face is what bad survivors do. You're asking to be downed.
Legion is still a bad killer. I don't think this update changed anything significant about them. They just amplified the tedious aspects of the character. That's why survivors aren't enjoying them. Not the healing meta. Not that they're OP in any way. Just tedious. A Legion match can feel so much longer than your average one. Not in a good way.
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I know this may be difficult for you to think past the us vs them, but the game is literally designed so that if killers slow it down it goes in their favor, which is why so many killer perks slow the game down. The devs design the game this way because everyone knows gens fly and ofg course survs want fast games and escape, however, it is the killers job to prolong the fight so they win. Game is designed so once resources are gone, killer can win.
I know those of you who never play killer to red grade monthly cant grasp these things because you only see it one way, but the game is designed for killer slowdown.
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I'm wondering if Never Sleep Pills needs some kind of tweak/nerf. Not because it's actually overpowered, but because it kind of takes away counterplay (Legion is basically guaranteed a down in many situations). Maybe Never Sleep Pills should give you 15 or 16 seconds of Frenzy instead of 20?
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In generell, i like it when a match takes longer, because more things happen or happen in a different way. However, with legion its different.
Think of the lord of the rings (the book!) but with another 100 pages of the Shire...no, longer is not better if it extends the thinks you would rather skip in the first place.
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Drop the condescending attitude. I am not thinking in us vs them at all. The question this thread asks is why do survivors dislike going against Legion. You suggested its because they go against the healing meta. I don't think it has anything to do with that given Plague is much better at that and not getting any real flak for it.
Nothing to do with killers bringing slowdown. I main Myers and I run three gen slowdown perks. Its simply that Legion's constant mending is tedious. Plain and simple. There's no us vs them mentality in what I'm saying.
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well if you slow down the game on one killer USING 3 SLOW DOWN PERKS you really shouldn't be complaining about Legion mending slowing the game down.
Perks like Pop, Pain Resonance, ruin, undying, etc add way more than 20 seconds to a game. Pop probably makes games longer than legion mending imo. As I said, you guys wont complain about having to hold m1 to repair that gen that just got 25+15% instant regression now you gotta repair it for 20+ seconds again to make up for it ;)
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It’s a guaranteed down but it takes a long time to do which is the trade off. Hypothetically if it turns out it’s actually too powerful though they could either reduce the duration buff or reduce or eliminate the speed boost Legion gets while using the pills (i.e. they run 4.6 m/s the entire Frenzy when using that add-on). Really though if it’s not overpowered it doesn’t need a nerf.
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I'm someone who does like playing against legion
Ever since the update I get teammates who have no idea how to play against legion and they usually do the dumbest stuff like how do people not know what killer instinct does
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You can also slow the game down by constantly slugging like the Twins do. Not surprisingly the slugging meta by Twins is very much hated too. Because its tedious getting constantly slugged. Just like Legion's mending.
Matches being prolonged by gen regression is night and day compared to constantly having to stop everything they are doing to mend. Not to mention perks like Pop and Scourge hook can only regress a gen so many times in a match because a killer can only get so many hooks. Contrast to Legion they can frenzy double, triple the number of hooks a killer can get. Ruin and undying is no hindrance given that totem spots are predominately awful. I can't remember the last time I saw ruin last longer than two minutes in a match.
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Twins is love <3
I wish Victor applied Deepwound
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Nurse : takes alot of mechanical skill and good reads to injure a survivor has counterplay and can be mindgamed,fun to verse.(sometimes)
Blight : Balanced killer one of the best designed killer in the game and fun to play and go against also needs some mechanics to play him well has counterplay to his power.
Legion : Uses power get a small map like Midwich or the Game where gens are close to each other and you can easily injure the whole survivor team without any efforts and 0 mechanical skills needed,need to waste time mending.
he's just badly designed and so boring to verse IMO.
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For me it's either really long games or really short games because how agressive most Legion's play. The constant mending gets old after awhile.
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