Deathslinger should be the first gay killer

My own biases? I'm gay.

Homophobic means more than going "grrr I hate them gays, arg". You're reducing people to a stereotype based on appearance. "Gay people dress like X, Straight people dress like Y". That's bad. "Look at how that dude dresses, he's totally gay"

Also like, Ji Woon Hak is South Korean. I guess you're not familiar with the K-pop J-pop scene but I've seen enough of it from friends to know that flamboyance comes with the industry regardless. So its also a touch of cultural ignorance.

Well at least you're more level headed about discussing this.

You say you wear jewelry and women's clothing. Fair enough. But it wouldn't make anyone a bad person or homophobic if they saw that and thought maybe you were gay. If they thought anything derogatory about you for it then it would.

Nobody is putting any pre conceived labels. It's speculation on possibilities. I am not saying in my mind Trickster is definitely gay because of how he dresses.

I'm not sure what you mean by don't think about sexuality if you don't want to engage with them. We're talking about fictional characters here. We're never going to engage with them.

I think for that last bit they mean if you're going to label in your head someone's sexuality based on how they dress, even if they are a fictional character, it's not odd to assume that you would also do that to people in the real world.

Yes it is. But I am not assuming he's gay. I said suspect he might be. I'm not definitively labeling him in my mind as gay because of it.

I haven't seen anyone here do that.

I am not calling you out on this as you really seem to not do this with malicious intend at all.

but just suspecting someone’s sexuality based on their clothes can actually be homophobic and make it uncomfortable for the person being suspected. I think I can’t explain it very good but… just words or looks based on such a suspicion can hurt and it’s pretty much falsely generalizing even if it might be true in many cases.

I can't wrap my head around suspecting someone's sexuality based on dress sense being homophobic unless said person was doing it in a derogatory way because that's what homophobia is. A dislike of gay people.

Words and looks hurting someone I can understand if it's harsh or insensitive words or some kind of nasty or mocking look. But here I don't think anyone has used any harsh words. Unless I have missed an insensitive post somewhere.

If someone was just naturally offended by someone making a judgement based on their dress sense I can understand that too. But again nobody here is doing that. Nobody has judged Trickster as gay. We're just speculating. This whole thread is speculation. Only an ignorant person defines people based on appearance alone.

Or...he can just stab people? I really don't think killers care about sexuality, they just feel anger, and will kill anyone who gets in the way

It’s part of the current tome story and can’t be fully read in-game as it’s locked partly behind future challenges.

i guess you can find YouTube videos on this topic though

I would like a story like that about Rin and her father. Makes sense and builds on the already established lore!

(one minor nitpick: Kazan is not the father of Spirit, I don’t think her father is mentioned directly by name but Kazan is the Oni)

But we don't know any of Trickster's personal relationships. Not that they can define anything either as we were told David had a girlfriend and now he's gay.

And once again nobody is making any assumptions based on his clothing. Nobody. If you can find one post in here where someone assumes he must be gay because of how he dresses then I'll concede to your point. All anyone has done is speculate as a possibility. In a thread that's asking us to look at the killers and think about who could be gay. It would be stupid to deny that many gay people dress flamboyantly like that as a way of self expression. Its not insensitive, or bad, or homophobic or anything like that to think that Trickster's dress sense makes him a possibility since we're already being asked to look at the possibilities for who could be gay. Nobody is treating it as an absolute sign or indicator. Just a maybe.

Anyway that's my last post on this. I can't keep repeating the same points. Its just a going in circles discussion at this stage.

Well thank you, first language is German by the way.

I really love it when you can have a nice discussion here without rage or throwing strawman arguments around you know.

To be fair i have a certain view on these things because I have to feel it daily but you are a nice discussion partner.

I think the thing I like the most that David is the first gay guy is that you can't play spot the gay and it's the fairy looking guy :D so to get back on the rails I think death slinger could work and break that manly cowboy headhunter image but to be honest I didn't looked up his lore that's something I need to do for a couple of characters

Discussing possibilities/maybes is not making assumptions. If you assume something then you think its true. The person who's first language is German has a better grasp of the English language than you do.

Trickster's sexuality doesn't really matter because the only person he's in love with is himself due to how big his ego is, how much he craves having the spotlight to himself along with the attention and popularity that comes with it from all his adoring fans and how much he loves his work when making his songs.

Hell, even in his tome he is his own number 1 fan.

Oni is an ancestor of Rin and her father but it’s over several generations. There was speculation going on that another Yamaoka or maybe even Rins father might become a new killer at some point!

Oh. Thanks for clarifying that. Maybe the oni is mad at his grand grand grand grand niece for being a lesbian?

I can totally see oni mains entering role play mode and tunneling whatever female survivor the community ships Rin with xD

Though that might not be a good thing, now that I think about it....

Don’t know if this post is serieus or not, but you could make an actual good plot with it or just sneak it in as an extra.

for example: He could’ve maybe been in love with one of his gang members but had to hide because it wasn’t very respected, or, he could’ve been in love with the warden (which would work if you know lore) and so he was very much heart broken on the betrayal putting more emotions into him.

Deathslinger is all about shooting and penetration seems like a solid fit .

Lol

1.) We should really not care about the sexual orientation of characters in general - but especially not the likes of killers. Characters like Clown or Hag should never ever ever ever be sexualized in any way. They are not characters created for this in any manor, nor are they curtailed to be perceived in such a way as to be relevant to humanity. I understand that there are a few people who sexualize killers on a fanfiction level, but this should be relegated to community interpretation - killers are not meant to be sexual or even relational in nature.

2.) Killers make for poor 'representation'. I use quotations because I do not believe any sane individual would want to throw their lot in with someone like the Clown, nor should they ever. Killers are morally devoid and incredibly dangerous individuals and should not, in the least, be sought as a form of representation - as it is of ill conceived direction. You don't want to, for instance, make a particular killer neurodivergent - because then it has the added correlation of autism = evil killer person... which is NEVER what any developer of the game will want to portray. While such factors like ethnicity and gender are implicit in presentation - factors such as sexuality and so on do not need to be disclosed, which makes the effort of such inclusion all the more deleterious towards desired progress.

3.) Survivors make for great representation because they have outstanding qualities and are comprised of fantastic moral fiber. David King is a selfless and hardy man who uses his strength and incredible fortitude to help those that are weaker than him. He is strong, selfless, and daring. He is a hero. Having him represent a minority group is a good choice, as many survivors are. He has relationships and interacts with others regularly. Survivors, in this sense, are good examples of what representation could be - not that it SHOULD be - but the novelty stays nonetheless. Killers, however, are abusive, ill willed, selfish, destructive, and horrifying abominations comprised of once-human remnants twisted into machines of evil by the Entity. While survivors may enjoy the liberty of representing community subgroups, I do not believe Killers should be perceived with the same leniency.

4.) Dude... why everything gotta be sexual? C'mon man. Lets have a normal, non-sexual game about thrillers and chases.