The nerf on Sprint burst and self-care...

I see a lot of killer mains around here talking about how good the changes are to survivors yet they cry over tinkerer on the other post. You get a perk nerf the survivors get multiple. I dont cry over them. Change and adapt. Simple as that survivors are entitled to survive and killers are entitled to kill. Im kinda sick of seeing camping killers in high ranks when I would expect it in lower ranks. If this is gonna fix the camping issue then I have no problem with it. As for " I'm camping cause I need to " no you dont that's how bullying survivors came to be. These changes are welcomed. All of them including the killer changes.

@Twix said:
Sprint Burst Change: I'd go about it a little bit differently, instead of not letting you recover while running - it should be changed so that it won't let you recover while performing an action. (Repairing, healing, etc)
Why? Because the main problem with SB is survivors waiting for the killer to get near them and then run away to a pallet, so by not letting them recover while performing an action it'll make it so SB won't be back up if you're repairing a generator.

Selfcare Change: The current change that is being planned out is a little too much, instead, make it so you get specific checkpoints at 35% and 75%, so let's say you start healing and get to 20% then it would reset, but if you get to 45% it would reset to the checkpoint. (35%)
Why? Because if you lose the killer and go to a corner to heal and you're in at like 70% and he finds you again it would reset your healing to 0% and that's just too much of a nerf and with what I've proposed it won't let you pallet loop and heal, because it will still reset, but to specific checkpoints.

What are your thoughts on this? :thinking:

I absolutely agree with that. This way the nerf on SB is way more reasonable and balanced.
And the idea with SC would also fix an other issue as well: If you managed to escape the killer and start healing yourself with SC and then one of your teammates wants to heal you (as he needs the emblem points as well) it would not have been a complete waste of time as it would only reset to 35 or 75%. It would be disgraceful if in this case it resets to 0% only because you wanted to give the teammate the cChance to heal you.

For the killer mains: STOP THINKING THAT YOU MUST WIN EVERY SINGLE GAME AND WHEN YOU DON'T YOU COME
HERE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW POWERFUL SURVIVOR PERKS ARE.

Killer perks nerf when? Why devs listen killers only?

fcc2014 said:

ZombieGenesis said:

These are the exact changes these perks need. Period. Why should you recover from exhaustion while running? It makes no sense. And this will stop the "pallet drop, heal-heal-heal, run, pallet drop, heal-heal-heal" garbage. Nope, I love these changes. Bring em on.

Honestly, I liked most of the changes they talked about on the dev stream. I'd love to try them all on the PTB.

Have fun waiting for 4 survivors as more players move on from the game and new players have nothing worth playing for if they don't have anything that givea them a better chance to survive.

Got a point here! They keep balancing for the top level guys and it makes learning survivor harder and harder until no ones wants to play but the super try hards and with no casual players and the game now a stressful POS for both sides!! I'm sure all 8 of you will love the super balanced competition game you've helped to mold. 

The changes are really needed though. But its a shame that Balanced Landing and Lithe get nerfed so hard

@fcc2014 said:
hMM said:

For the killer mains: STOP THINKING THAT YOU MUST WIN EVERY SINGLE GAME AND WHEN YOU DON'T YOU COME

HERE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW POWERFUL SURVIVOR PERKS ARE.

Don't worry despite the perk reworks they will still get eatten up by survivor mains and still complain. It will be casual players this will hurt and drive from the game.

Exactly!! Ah, that's what bothers me the most about these kinds of changes, honestly. They're clearly made from listening to the most competitive player base which negates, I'm assuming, the larger percentage of people playing. There are, contrary to how the community makes it seem sometimes, a LOT of casual players that don't have time to devote hundreds of hours to learning how to "pallet loop" (and honestly, since the game pushes for chases and then doesn't have very much variety in terms of what you can be chased through, that seems to be the much bigger weakness here) or how to 'git gud'.

They're going to have a really hard time competing with other PvP games in the future if they continue this trend. There's a lot of options coming out (including their own game, Deathgarden) and if this game starts turning into a Friday the 13th killer scenario then I wouldn't be surprised if they lose a lot of their larger, less vocal player base.

@Wolf74 said:

@Molotow said:
Killer perks nerf when? Why devs listen killers only?

Because they listend to survivor only for almost 2 years now.
Killer have had plenty of nerfs, time to get some balance.

Yes. WOLF gets it.

2 years we've dealt with this stuff. It's about time.

Spring Burst should not charge while being chased and running maybe. What I don't want it to see all my damn teammates walking around. Maybe that won't fix the walking ######### that'll happen though. Also what about that exhaustion recovery perk, won't this make that funky? Self Care reset sucks for one reason, nobody will let me heal them. They'll be like, I already have it to 25%, I'm fine, I'll just finish healing myself. Same thing maybe? Only reset when being chased.

@TeambossFloze said:

@Lowbei said:
the changes are fine. adapt or die.

If a survivor said this to every killer post there would be a riot on the forum. This kind of response is not helpful.

I don't like the fact sprint burst and self care are a must on every perk set up...so im happy for the change (I play both survivor and killer and I see a benefit for both teams)

Well you must be new since it's what survivor told (back in the day) when killer complained about infinite like this one
Or when people complained about old ds that was instant for every survivor
Or when people complained about old borrowed time
Or when people complained that all the window of the wretched shop where open making it litteraly impossible to catch someone there
Or when people complain that looping is boring
It even created meme with people answering any complaint by just break the pallet because at one point some survivor where unironicaly saying it to answer complaint about pallet looping.
Most often than not the people that tell other to adapt to those where also people that declared every single killer OP and voted for the doctor to be reworked thinking it meant nerfing him.

And yes it is unhelpful

@TeambossFloze
Not only do they complain to damn much but more often than not like I pointed the people that say to the other side to adapt (that be either for new thing no matter if they are fair or not or actual gameplay flaw) tend to be huge hypocrite that will only say to people to adapt to a change only when the change doesn't affect them.
To go back on topic now
Imo the change to SC, Exhaustion perk and DS are fine, they where long waited and I hope the meta will finally switch around since it as been stall for pretty much over 1 year and a half now.

I also welcome the change to whisper as a stealthy survivor but I think they should also do something incase the last survivor doesn't try to do objectif or get out since finding a survivor that doesn't try to do the objectif is pretty hard and I had multiple time survivor hide for 30/40 minute to spit me because I managed to kill every one before enought gen popped for the hatch to spawn.(funny enought most of the time those survivor had username that related to Ochido)

Same goes for calm spirit that way maybe the survivor that complain about the doctor 24 hours a day will finally stop complaining and slot it instead.

The only change I don't really like is the tinkerer one I find the new effect doesn't go well with the name of the perk and the effect sound more like what Surveillance should have been.

And the change to freddy they talked about like reducing action speed to 0% during the dream transition and speeding up the dream transition will make it so he can actually defend gen and totem instead of having them being fixed in his face.

Wolf74 said

1. The main issue with SC stays, UNLIMITED uses.

I agree.  i would have preferred to see them say you can get 2 SC full heals out of it then the way they are doing it now.   the problem with the way they are doing it is if you are SCing and I walk up, what are the chances you stop to let me heal you now? zero as any progress you made is reset and while my heal is faster by the time you see it reset it probably works out to the same length of time.  if they gave us 2 full SC heals then I start SCing and you walk around a corner I will definitely stop to save my SC and let you finish the heal.