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Nemesis and Freddy
Freddy
Old Freddy was much more accurate to the character and was really unique. You should bring him back. Obviously with some changes to make him stronger since I do admit he was a little on the weaker side but even if he was weaker I think characters like the Artist show that people prefer more fun than strength sometimes. Even back then I did actually see a bunch of Freddy plays. More than even now. So please being back old Freddy with some upgrades. He was so much cooler then.
Nemesis
Unlike Freddy, Nemesis didn't start off good. He released playing more like how William Birkin would than Nemesis. At least Freddy did have his time to shine. Nemesis was completely mishandled and it was an assassination of the character. I'm not looking for some perfectly accurate version and that's not what I would want. He is missing abilities that could easily fit in DBD though. Some people may say his rocket launcher or sprint ability may not work but no they can most certainly work. With the right balancing he can work. People only say this about Nemesis for some reason. Freddy could also just be the most OP killer in the game if he was 100% accurate but no one realizes that and no one is asking for either character to be like that. Those abilities for both characters should just be in the game in their power in some form.
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Okay.
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What does this community even want anymore.
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All tentacle hits should do damage.
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Nemesis should have had a lot more focus around his zombies rather than them just being a side flavor.
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They don't make any sense for Nemesis to have. He never used zombies.
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That's why I said have some changes but keep the same idea.
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Hat is that even supposed to mean? Not everyone person is the same exact person. This means people want different things.
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That doesn't matter at all to me.
They are unique design and could've differentiated the game play from other killers. The basic whip anti-loop game play is just rehashed from multiple other killers and not a unique experience.
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Yeah, Old Freddy is so much better than Modern Freddy. He wasn't the strongest, but he was at least fun.
Nemesis though, I disagree with. He certainly sucks alright, but in my opinion, he always was a terrible pick for an RE killer. He's supposed to be an unstoppable force, so to put him in a game like DbD he'd need to be extremely nerfed to point where he doesn't even feel like Nemesis anymore; which is exactly what Behavior ended up doing.
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Yeah, it would be great to have OG Freddy back with some tweaks! It would also bring back at least one beloved player, @GeneralV .
As far as Nemesis, I just can’t see them integrating his weapon arsenal into DbD in any meaningful way. What’s he going to do, use a rocket launcher to blow away tiles he doesn’t like? And even if the flamethrower only did something simple like slowly burn pallets over time, it was still a huge gas tank on his back that heavily slowed him down - and you ultimately destroy to damage him.
I think all things considered, Nemesis was the best pick. He was hard set on chasing and eliminating Jill the entire game. Just curious, who do you think would be a better fit from RE into DbD? Mr. X just trudges after you all of RE2 except the end of the game, a lot of other enemies in the series are very fast-moving or gigantic (like Nemesis in later mutations). But I haven’t played all of the games. So just wondering who you think would translate well into DbD.
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William Birkin, Dr. Saddler, Jack Baker (the best pick out of all of these), Karl Heisenberg, and Mother Miranda would all work better than Nemesis in my opinion. I don't think any Tyrant would fit well, because they're supposed to be almost robotic moving walls. Nemesis was at least better than Mr. X or Wesker, though.
I know why they picked Nemesis however; it's because they knew he'd sell, not because he'd actually fit in DbD.
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Unique but unique doesn't mean fun. Most people I guarantee would've preferred A more accurate Nemesis if it was in the game.
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Nemesis was the perfect choice. He has the abilities that can fit perfectly in the game. The rocket launcher and the sprint would make him pretty lethal and fast for the maps. He was perfect but they decided to not EVEN nerf him like you said. They did worse. They didn't need those abilities which honestly I would've been fine with as long as they were fun and in the game still, no, they just did zombies. Well the zombies ended up being boring because surprise! Having a power you can't control half of isn't really fun. But yeah he was 100% the best choice you could've made but some just misunderstand how you can easily do Nemesis and make him balanced. It's not about how much he can use his abilities even though in DBD he can still use them pretty decently, it's more important to just have them. He could've easily been like A tier with the right balancing.
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The rocket launcher would have an obvious use. Destroy any object that has been breakable and just down the survivors. Maybe if you wanted anything you break with the rockets fly around and can hit the survivors. Like pieces of wood from pallets or walls. There is something you can do. And it doesn't matter if it's not unique, it'd be much more fun to blow someone away than see zombies gets stuck everywhere. It'd be like his punches. Sure it works the same as any killer basic attack but it is still more fun since it is now just a hard punch. So now he'll shoot a really funny explosive rocket to decimate everyone.
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Saddler doesn't really fit at all. Jack is just another version of Mr. X and if you say something about the mold, that is basically the type of garbage they did to Nemesks. Don't give him powers he doesn't control. Mother Miranda barely did anything to make her worthy of a killer. Heisenberg can fit but really why would you choose him? As for Birkin, you already got him. That's the problem with Nemesis. Some forget that the Nemesis in DBD is simply not Nemesis. He can fit but people use his current state in DBD to say that he doesn't. He definitely does. They just gave him a power that Birkin would've had. So yeah you already got Birkin with a Nemesis skin over him basically.
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"Unique but unique doesn't mean fun"
Never implied it did.
"Most people I guarantee would've preferred A more accurate Nemesis if it was in the game."
I disagree. I think people would prefer a more unique game play Nemesis that's more powerful and with potential for a higher skill ceiling.
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I missed your Nemesis posts, I now have an excuse to repost my RE Chapter Rework.
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Agreed and agreed. They should have depicted these two characters better. They don't feel like themselves.
Nemesis...he's not nemmy at all. I don't wanna go into it bc Dark Tyrant has covered it extensively.
Freddy is like someone with no imagination using a green lantern ring lol. All powerful in the dream world but what can he do? A weaker rip off of clown in chase and a stronger demo teleport. Oh and sometimes a rip off of docs fake pallets.
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Unlike Nemesis, Freddy had a good start? Wait, what? Freddy got nerfed 1 week after his release and than he was 2 years the weakest killer in the whole roster.
Do you mean the reworked Freddy? Otherwise nothing you said makes sense.
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Like I alread mentioned on your YouTube video, Nemesis really got done dirty by BHVR. He's too small (despite being the tallest killer in DbD) and simply lacks the proper representation when it comes to his iconic move arsenal. Zombies as a stage hazard would have made sense on RPD but as a power it's simply questionable. Nemesis is a lone-wolf, he doesn't work with zombies.
I'd love to see a rocket launcher for him as something he can maybe pick up or build from gathering lootcases which survivors can sabotage or move to slow down his inevitable powerspike. I also hate how they gave every single uninfected survivor a third health state basically when he tries to use his tentacle, it's simply too much in a game that's already dominated by survivors.
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Give Nemesis a rocket launcher.
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I agree to an extent but Freddy’s pick rate is basically the same now and most find him boring to play as/against. He has no good add ons and is overall very weak still
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They should revert him to the original release Freddy from 2017 and make some QoL changes.
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Poor Nemmy got done Dirty in the movies too.
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Yeah I’d be cool with that. I’d say keep his new teleport since that fits the character and his kit well
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Yeah that sounds reasonable for a hit&run approach.
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As a Nemesis main, I must firmly disagree. I find Nemesis to be one of the most engaging, entertaining, and balanced killers on the roster.
While he hast to hit survivors 1-2 more times over the course of the game, once he gets out of tier 1 - he can pop hits like candy. Asking a Nemi player to get 4-8 additional tentacle hits over the course of the match isn't asking much, especially when you're one of the strongest anti-loop pallet-muncher killers in the game and have access to free information and pressure through zombies.
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If people wanted power then you'd be seeing a lot more Artists or something or a humungous amount of Spirits which isn't really the case. Plus the other power could easily have an even higher skill ceiling. I mean half of his power doesn't even have a skill. What are the zombies?
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I'm not talking about strength. I'm talking about accuracy to the character. I'm a Nemesis main to and I agree he is fun and is actually one of the more balanced killers. He's not Nemesis though.
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I'm talking about aircraft to the character. Freddy was cooler then.
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Yeah I the whole zombies thing was an attempt to bring RE as a franchise to DBD which obviously doesn't really work since they are completely different. He was definitely misunderstood. If he had the NE-a Parasite zombies maybe I'd be less annoyed but here it's just zombies which like you said he doesn't work with zombies. They are just there.
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Jack baker, eve and particularly wesker would all be great additions as killers, rather than whippy.
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Idk if you've ever seen a post by TheDarkTyrant, but literally all they do is complain about Nemesis in every post they make. Best to not really pay attention. It's not "the community". It's just them.
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^ This. Old Freddy was actually very unique and actually fit his theme. I’ve always thought that old Freddy was very salvageable with some tweaks. It was totally unnecessary to scrap it all and start from scratch. He’s just a complete mess now. He’s unoriginal, copies a bunch of other killers with no uniqueness of his own, doesn’t fit the theme of how Freddy is supposed to be, is boring to play as and against and to top it all of is still very weak. Unfortunately I don’t think they’d ever actually revert him.
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- I admit Saddler was a bit of reach, but I still think he'd work better than Nemesis.
- I don't see how Jack is in any way, shape, or form "just another version of Mr. X". No offense, but have you actually played RE7? The only thing he has in common with Mr. X is that they're both physically strong; but you can say that about a #########-ass ton of RE villains. The reason why I say he is the best pick for an RE killer is because he's very human-like, and directly inspired by franchises like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and The Evil Dead; which are both things that inspired DbD. Jack has actual personality and charm. Not to mention, he has way more options for a power. Swapping between different weapons, creating Molded (and I'm not talking about just having a pair of them patrol the map like Nemesis' zombies. This would be way more in depth, with him being able to create different kinds that do different things), or even switching between the different family members who would each have their own ability's and attributes.
- "Mother Miranda barely did anything to make her worthy of a killer." Again I gotta ask (and I'm seriously not trying to be rude), but have you played RE8? Miranda was Spencer's inspiration for creating Umbrella, hell he even got the design for the logo from her. Without her, Umbrella would have never been created; we would not have a Resident Evil. No Tyrants, no Albert Wesker, no Nemesis, no Chris, no Leon, no Jill, no nothing. Not to mention she's slaughtered thousands in her pursuit to resurrect her daughter. I'd say that's pretty damn worry of being a killer. As for a power, she could shapeshift into just about anything, and also control the Mold like vines. That's way cooler and easier to implement than anything Nemesis has to offer.
- I'd choose Heisenberg over Nemesis any day of the week. Just like with Jack, he has an actual personality and motive; unlike the Tyrants. Not to mention, controlling electricity and metal is way cooler and inspired than anything Nemesis could offer. I imagine he'd have some cool interactions with generators.
- "As for Birkin, you already got him". Since when does Birkin run around hitting people with a tentacle and infecting them with the T-virus?I've seen you consistently call DbD Nemesis Birkin, and I have never once understood why because they're nothing alike.
I just want to state that in my opinion, Nemesis' rocket launcher and flamethrower would never fit in DbD. Heavy weapons like that just don't fit the theme of the game. Hell, guns in general don't really work, that's the why the closest thing we've ever gotten to one is spear gun. That basically leaves Nemesis with sprinting, roaring, infecting people, and hitting people with a tentacle as his only options for a power; all of which we've already gotten in some way before.
Lastly, I just wanna say that I respect your opinion and dedication to Nemesis. From day one though, I've never once thought he'd work in Dead by Daylight, though.
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"If people wanted power then you'd be seeing a lot more Artists or something or a humungous amount of Spirits which isn't really the case."
I think that's an incorrect correlation to make. You don't see Artist because it's hold W the game, which is boring. That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. You did see a lot of Spirits before, the only reason you don't know is because they gutted her. Once again, unrelated to what we're talking about.
"I mean half of his power doesn't even have a skill. What are the zombies?"
That's entirely the point I'm making. The zombies could be highly skillful if changed more. They could turn into something similar to 2017 Freddy where their skill was in micromanaging the map and trying to pincer survivors into them. You can kind of do that now, but nothing of much significance or just getting lucky with their placement.
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And Nemesis would've been better then all of them if they chose him.
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I'm no different than the rest of the community. I just chose something I care about more to talk about.
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I have 100% completion for both RE7 and RE8 and bought the collectors edition. I love those games. But Nemesis is clearly a better pick in DBD. And Birkin does infect people. Nemesis in DBD is centered around his mutation and infecting people. A big part of Birkin and not at all one of the iconic or huge parts of Nemesis. Nemesis is the pursuer. He's not a zombie general. That fits more of Birkin because as you know he created the virus' so it makes sense that he would have them. In RE3 the zombies were just there. They had nothing to do with Nemesis. That's why he is more like Birkin then Nemesis. The ONLY thing he has that is Nemesis like in his gameplay is that he just simply has the tentacle but the way he uses it is completely wrong.
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The zombies would never be as skillful as a rocket launcher or sprint ability if implemented correctly. If they are implemented CORRECTLY. I don't get how something Nemesis can't control at all is as skillful as a sprint or rocket, 1 more time, if implemented correctly. People act like a running power can't have any depth or a rocket launcher and all the other ones that exist do.
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A rocket launcher in DBD is just straight up silly. That would not fit the game whatsoever. Micromanagement of zombies is a skill.
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I'm sure many people would accept a rocket launcher if Nemesis was done right the first time and you know it. You probably would to.
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A rocket launcher would look goofy in DBD, I definitely would not like to have that.
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Yeah because were in a situation where we never got it. Also I don't get how a rocket launcher is goofy. It's not like a toilet seat as a weapon or something. It's cool.
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It sounds as silly as giving an machine gun to Legion. It sounds like a joke.
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Legion is a small human and Nemesis is a giant mutant monster with a huge intimidating rocket launcher. That's like saying the TMNT would be silly with a shotgun but Batman would look cool with it.
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Nemmy doesnt really need any changes though, he's a decently-strong killer with a decent pick rate. Freddy though is weak, boring and unpopular, he needs another full rework.
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And giant mutant monsters shouldn't be using rocket launchers, it's silly.
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It's about accuracy for me. Not strength. He plays nothing like how Nemesis should.
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Yeah well he became one of gaming's most iconic bosses because of it so I doubt many agree.
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