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What's with the survivors lately?
It genuinely seems like there are no nice survivors anymore it's all toxic survivors left it's just disheartening because they are more toxic than I have ever seen before like it's all bming swf when you're a low-tier killer. When you play fair you get bmed, when you play a killer they don't like you get bmed, there is literally no winning anymore.
Like how can survivors' mains expect killers to not play as ruthless as possible when literally all killers that play up to their standards still get bmed. I'm beginning to think the actually nice ones left the game because I don't get any of the interactions I used to have.
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Don't you realise it's both? Why do you think those survivors play the way they play? And of course the killer who plays against them will also camp, tunnel and be generally toxic in return.
Who was first? egg/chicken scenario. We don't know who started it, probably back in 2016 because survivors were by far the power role (not anymore) they were the ones who made it their fun to ridicule the killer, especially SWF. From there, killers got more and more toxic as well, and the snowball effect started.
If I had to guess, it was SWF that started the cycle, and this is what we have now in 2022.
But it's not survivors lately. it's both.
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I just am so confused like it's just awful like every match is the same thing no matter how I play I have tried all the ways I can think of to like make games as fun as possible I go out of my way not to tunnel people and I don't camp yet it's like they have some kind of vendetta and I am just lost. Like I get it's just a game, so I shouldn't feel unhappy about it because people can be awful, but it's actually starting to get to me like I don't have fun these matches I don't get super mad, but it really doesn't make me happy. Like I don't understand how or why anyone would get mad at a perkless killer or Demogorgon with meme addons, every game feels like the survivors think I took away everything they cared for or something because they genuinely are awful.
Like I'm not one of those people who are like oh this made me into a basement Leatherface main, but I don't really feel the same way I did about the many posts complaining about tunneling or camping anymore, like genuinely don't. The constant games like this I have played just really made me realize that survivors aren't much better when it comes to toxicity. When they literally take it out on anyone they come across just like the toxic killers, like if anything I won't wanna play much anymore because of these experiences that I had so eventually they are just going to play against constant people with the same mindset as them to make the game as miserable and unfun as possible for the other side.
Also sorry for my venting, like just really felt a bit sad after those games, maybe it's time to take a break from dbd for a while I suppose lol maybe the nicer people will come back during the anniversary chapter if not I'm not sure what ill play because dbd really was my favorite game.
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You are probably right swf most probably started it because of course you can be cocky if you have a good working team and when you are on coms you heat each other up
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Same, i played for survivors for roughly a year or more. I played like normal but gave them massive room for save, ignored freshly unhooked survivor even when they were in my face, only slugged survivor on death hook and even gave newbies or bad survivors free escapes. Also no gen slowdown perks.
But you can't expect anyone to appreciate or validate how you play.
The majority of the time you won't get any reaction (empty after-game chat) or ggs when they really stomped you (from subjective experience). And rarely will they show gratitude for being a fresh breath of air in the neverending cycle of camping and tunneling or they will still be toxic and call you names because you didnt play to your full potential and they treat you like a noob.
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You sound like you need a break. I've taken many breaks from this game, and I play since release. This game has a way of getting under your skin also because there's a certain amount of RNG to it. That means, it will put you in situations you will feel are unfair and out of your control, doesn't matter how well/bad you play. This causes frustration and toxicity. But can also give you hilarious moments.
I'd say, take a break or play some sur... ehhhh just take a break.
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It's sad because I'm a survivor main and I generally never try to harass the killer or "bully" them. I've maybe used a flashlight as a distraction so my team can swoop in or have looped for awhile, but I'm always just playing the game to play it. If I'm looping the killer for awhile, I'm not going HAHA take that, I'm usually looping for my life because if I don't I die.
I try to be genuinely nice to the killer and not waste their time. There's moments where I have to do certain things that are just strategic plays, but I don't get why my teammates will stay at the gate just to T-bag a killer who played fairly or was clearly learning how to play the killer.
When I switch over to killer, I will get survivors every so often who will be toxic and just harass in end game chat. When I've asked survivors why they wait to T-bag at the exit gate when I played fairly, they just respond with either "deal with it, you killers call everyone toxic, I'm just pressing ctrl button" or "when I play killer survivors T-bag me so I have to return the favor." I just think that the vicious cycle has driven away a lot of nice killers and survivors. That's what happens when fun nice killers leave, the nice survivors will leave as well.
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The majority of the time you won't get any reaction (empty after-game chat)
Is that supposed to be a problem ?
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The answer is simple.
Back in 2017 one side designed a program to blackmail the other side into playing the way they want by threatening to block them. Developers actually had to step in because it became such a huge problem.
back in 2016-2017, one side ran things called infinites and told the other to get some skill when they complained about it.
To this day, look at the profile of any killer that plays to win vs any survivor and read the comments.
There is no chicken and egg.
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Next time maybe quote me if you want an answer? (Just a friendly advice not an attack)
It becomes a problem when the only big alternative (like i said, real positive or toxic responses are the minority when playing for survivors) is a GG but that also comes mostly only upon (heavy) defeat (aka with a condescending aftertaste) and extremely rare upon your victory, then i think so.
No answer/response is also a form of response.
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I did mention this passage, and as this forum is as ergonomic as the game itself, I have not found how to add your nickname.
You just can't make people respond to you or say "GG" to you. Even if you need a "GG" or any other positive message to appreciate your victory, the problem is not with others. I sincerely believe that you are creating a problem for yourself that does not exist.
Personally, I never talk in the chat - I leave it active to be able to report directly to the BHVR site in case of insults - and I don't see why I should systematically compliment the other players. I don't feel like it, and I don't think that makes me a toxic person.
Well, that's what I understand from your message.
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No the silence doesn't make anyone a "toxic" person but what i mean is that it isn't a surprise that when 50% of all responses are negatively (the ambiguous GG upon loss or direct toxicity), 5% are directly positive and the rest is "just" nothing at all, there is no positive feedback to keep playing fair, by the rulebook, for survivor or however someone wants to call it.
And we humans are driven by positive feedback either from others or our body (endorphins or similar, the good feeling of fun).
So if the majority of feedback is subjectively negative or nothing, accompanied by BM in game in any form, then i don't see any incentive for killer (or survivor) to play fair and fun anymore, which was the point i made in my first comment.
I prefer to play casual and fair but when the only thing it earns me is scorn or indifference then the miniscule amount of positive feedback doesn't balance that out and was the reason why i finally quit this game for good.
In relation to the thread topic I think many other "fair" killer player thought the same, left and in response to that the same happened on survivor side when mostly tunneling/camping killer remain. But that's just speculation on my part.
Edit: oh btw to tag someone either quote with the quote function at the bottom of each post or use @"name" like @Rokjer
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I never said it didn't but i only have one sided experience and personally think that the psychological effect of the herd makes survivor more prone to BM. (Subjective opinion)
And my comment was meant as an explanation why many friendly or fair killer like me might've left the game or stopped caring and started bming themselves.
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I was there is 2016, before SWF launched.
I remember survivors teabagging wraith at coldwind farm in infinite loops (such as the tree one).
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I'd reckon that survivors are a bit more likely to be nasty than killers are.
But there are also plenty of toxic killers.
The problem here isn't 'survivors'.
The problem here is that this community has become septic, and the developers are the ones responsible for letting the infection spread.
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I'm a nice survivor I think. I will play the game to the best of my abilities and I won't teabag. I also don't use too many meta perks.
Nice survivors exist
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Killers have been spreading the "playing as toxic and sweaty as you want, your job isn't to make the game fun" agenda for a while; survivors decided to make their own fun. It's an endless cycle, you're getting bullied (and honestly that's a very strong word for banter in a pvp game) bc survivors get frustated at toxic killers and default to toxicity the same way killers killers get frustrated at toxic survivors and default to toxicity themselves.
I mean this in the nicest way possible but if you can't detach yourself from what is literally in game banter (as long as they don't insult you after the game, in which case you should report them) and take it personally enough it makes the game unfun, you should just stop playing it, or at least take a break from it, playing something that makes you feel bad isn't worth it.
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All the nice people realized how frustrating this game is and they took Kote's advice.
"Play something else"
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I had a nice chat with a survivor the other day.
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And what would you consider a nice survivor? Because running the killer for 1 minute isn't toxic, it's just playing the game
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Solo q isn't the power role, SWFs are, so that in turn means that yes, survivors are still the power role, and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to not get survivors nerfed
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