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Tunneling is not a problem
The problem is that BT is not basekit, when it should be. And I am saying that as a sweaty nurse main. Killers getting free kills because the rescuer doesn't have BT is a stupid game design, especialy in solo queue because it forces you to have BT to rescue and DS in case your random teamates don't have BT. With your 3rd perk as an exhaustion one (mostly dead hard), you only have 1 last perk to chose from.
Meta slave survivors will go either iron will, unbreakable, window of opportunity or coh for the last one. Any original build is throwing at this point. This meta is only good because it fix what's wrong, especialy at low elo.
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Giving Survivors a 5th Perk slot doesn't seem like a good idea to me
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Why ? Again I am a killer main and I don't see any problem with that if they nerf others perks to compensate. For exemple, Iron will not removing all sounds going from 100% to 75%. Dead hard being rework, ect...
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So you're asking for base-kit changes and meta Perk nerfs, well you're in luck, as the devs stated that they're looking at rebalancing 40 Perks (some, if not the majority, of which being meta Perks) while also looking as the base game and making changes accordingly
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Well, yeah, because nerfing good perks would help killers more than base kit BT would hurt them, obviously.
Albeit, I think the basekit BT that is coming will be fine even without compensation nerfs. If anything, it will reduce the temptation to BT check and consistency will be rewarded.
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If you think just BT alone will save you from tunneling... Good luck.
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Wait you tell me you are a nurse main that plays tryhard and advocate buff for solo because you have an easy time against survivor?
Cool, so for you to have a challenge 90% of the killer roster and the killerplayer that don't want to make this game their second job are left in the dust.
This is the reason why sluzzy has such a broken opinion. They mostly play nurse or blight and completely lost the connection to reality that not everyone are treating every trial as a tournament and are looking for the dark souls Ng+7 style challenge in their life.
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BT basekit will do NOTHING. If a killer is determined to tunnel you out they will, no matter what. BT and/or DS, both won't save you from tunneling. But I think we all know this already.
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I’ve seen killers tunnel players out with BT, DS, and body blocks. If a killer wants you out the game, you're getting put out the game.
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It is a problem if you look at it as the most efficient method for killers to win. Having a bandaid perk become a bandaid base mechanic doesn’t solve why killers tunnel. BT being base kit will also just increase the divide in killer strength level, hurting those that have weaker chases even more than they already are by the meta.
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Again, tunneling is fine, it's a strat. It's OP when survivors don't have BT. When they do, there is counterplay.
Not if you nerf other perks, like Dead Hard. Without it, the whole m1 killers are way stronger.
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You're not listening to what they're saying lmao. You literally just replied with "Tunneling is op when survivors don't have BT", but these people pointed out that BT won't stop tunneling in the first place. Logically, wouldn't this suggest that tunneling is op?
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No Perk should counter tunneling, there shouldn't be any Perks that stop the Killer from sacrificing, just like there aren't any Perks that stop Survivors from doing Generators, they just delay them
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No, tunneling has counters if everyone has BT.
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you say your a killer main with or without BT how many survivors are going for a save before you have left that area, you make it basekit it still won't stop survivors going for the save to soon the killer has 2 people at a hook why would you leave.
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You are supposed to save and then split. Not stay together like sheeps. Even if 2 are on gens that's way enough with how many pallets are on the map.
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If the killer wants you out of the game, BT isn't going to stop them and neither is decisive.
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Survivors already have 16 perks. They don't need more.
PS saying your a X main doesn't help your argument. Lots of people lie about their main to try to enforce their point that it's just not accepted on the forums.
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So what ? It's perfectly normal.
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now is it the killers fault that they didn't save and split but wanted to heal up first under the hook knowing the killer was just around the corner because 1 survivor rushed to get the save?
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Fair point, BT shouldnt be a necessity. I hope they inclusa it in base kit at 6 seconds or roundabout
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It doesnt matter if you run BT and DS or not. if the killers are dedicated to tunneling they just dont care. And this is one of the biggest issues ingame. it completely breaks the game. making them basekit may looks convenient, but still wouldnt solve the issue.
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Uhh... What? Tunneling and sacrificing are 2 different things? I sacrifice people all the time, but I don't always tunnel to get my sacrifices... Sometimes it's necessary, most of the time it isn't. Tunneling might a method to get consistent sacrifices, but it's not the only method.
So a perk that stops tunneling or at least makes it more challenging doesn't stop sacrificing...
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BT is not a necessity because of killers tunneling.
BT is necessity because of the unsafe hook rush meta.
They blame killers for their unsafe unhook meta. They created the problem and want to get base BT because they play bad
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Survivors rush hooks because of pips. If you try to be smart and wait for the last moment, someone else will go for the save and you will end up with no save = no pips (at least no +2). So survivors are farming each other.
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The thing is how would you stop tunneling? Perks and bodyblock is a good thing if you can rush to an open gate but then tunneling is totally valid so it doesn't matter. But early game tunneling can't be stopped
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Actually it does matter because while a killer MIGHT decide to just keep chasing someone who has Borrowed Time and refuse to do a hook trade, if they suspect the rescued survivor has Borrowed Time they also might be more incentivized to either just hit the borrowed time survivor once and swap targets or ignore them and hit the rescuer. Having Borrowed Time shifts the tactical balance in favor of swapping targets in those hook trade scenarios.
If Borrowed Time literally did nothing in those cases survivors would never bother running it. The perk is popular because it actually does make a difference for them.
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That would mean a killer isnt entitled to tunneling, which is just desillusional.
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What are you talking about? When did I say a killer can’t tunnel? (Which by the way, “tunnel” is a useless buzzword, there’s no consensus what it even means let alone good arguments why it’s an issue in the first place.)
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The problem is that is a term used for too broadly, and very much perception based.
I doubt we could even get consensus for a clear definition, so it's almost useless to discuss it.
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I just always go for the one that made the unhook anyway.
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It is obvious that it is bad game design if the Survivor on the Hook has to rely on the unhooking Survivor to have BT, otherwise they are right back on the Hook.
However, BT alone does not do anything against tunneling. Same with DS. Both are laughable when it comes to their Anti-Tunnel Potential.
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Allow me:
Tunneling refers to tunnel vision meaning focused only on one survivor. You can see it done sometimes, killer will run right past someone on a gen to continue chasing the Feng that teabagged them at the pallet. They will focus on one surv throwing entire game, "tunneling them" out the match.
Survs began using it to refer to downing someone off the hook. What killers view as disrespect, unhooking in front our face, survs began using their unsafe unhooks to label punishing such a bad play... downing the person unhooked as tunneling. When really, youre punishing a bad play.
They like to make things up by killer actions, when really , the punishment comes from their bad play.
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Sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't a problem. BT being basekit won't change that. Even DS being basekit wouldn't change that.
The only thing that would change that is providing the killer with an incentive to not tunnel.
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