The "Finisher Mori" needs to be OPTIONAL
I hated this idea immediately on reveal, and the more I've thought about it the more I hate it. Give Killers a Cyprus Mori by default if you want, but DO NOT make it mandatory. Reasons why:
1. When playing Killer I enjoy, well, playing Killer. This is chasing and downing Survivors, including the last Survivor. The game isn't over until I catch them or they get away. Now when I catch them they just... die. I can't catch them then give them hatch. Which means I can no longer give hatch. I'm not gonna just AFK while they look for hatch, that's boring. There's also been times I was carrying them to the hook and heard hatch on the way and decided on a whim to drop them there instead.
2. This completely screw over BBQ. Sometimes that last Survivor is the best one on the team, one you haven't gotten to hook yet. So no BBQ stack for them yet. And now, no BBQ stack ever. Because they just die. Which means now I have to choose between my stacks and throwing the entire game to catch the god looper.
3. This also completely messed with Devout. For the same reasons as BBQ. If you never hook the last guy, because he just dies immediately, now you don't get your points for hooking everyone. And maybe not even your 9 hooks points. Which makes the already stupidly hard Adepts in Iridescent even more of a pain.
4. It doesn't happen often that Survivors who get caught in the end manage to break free and ultimately escape the match, but it DOES happen. And now it can't. Even with these being optional, let alone the mandatory version. Which is just stupid.
So, yeah, most of the anniversary stream stuff was great. But this? This is garbage. It needs to at least be optional. But preferably, never happen at all.
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- Just escort them to hatch, go find things to break, etc. If you really want to let them get hatch, you still have the means to do so.
- They described this new mori as a "finisher mori" (or something like that) - moris I believe count as a weaker score event than sacrifices, but it stands to reason that this particular type of mori will probably not (and will probably also count as a hook for the sake of BBQ stacks - its probably possible for them to do this, too)
- See 2
- I do understand this one - survivors who end up in a corner of the map where the hooks are already used up might also just get left to bleed out by a killer who doesn't want to concede the stalemate. The insta-mori would alleviate this scenario. If the killer is carrying the final survivor, it seems fair to me to declare the killer the victor, there. Also, on the flipside, based on how this is described its hypothetically possible that the last survivor to exit the map in the exit gate is eligible for the insta-mori even if they are knocked down right at the exit gate. If this ends up being the case, it'd be a pretty interesting additional consideration for the last few seconds of the match, eh?
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1. No. That's boring. I'm not playing the game to be bored.
2. Mories are worth more BP than sacrifices, lol. A hook is 500, the sacrifice 200, so you get 700 in total. A Mori is 1,000. And there's zero chance they'll give you a free hook of any type for this.
3. See 2.
4. No. Because the exit gate thing would happen for, like, a week. Then they'll just tbag and Dead Hard out before you hit them and nothing changes except now the Killer experience is just considerably worse. Killer is already frequently unfun to play. I should at least be allowed to make my own damn decisions about who I kill.
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I disagree, having it be automatic makes sense
- If you want to let someone get out of the hatch you can still do it, just don’t down them
- Having it be automatic means you can get it even if they would normally be able to just barely crawl out the exit. This helps mitigate the whole dumb “sit at the exit so they can watch me leave” thing a bit
- Note that BBQ and Chili was one of the perks they mentioned is getting an overhaul the upcoming big perk update. So there’s no telling if your concern about that corner case of “I never hooked the last survivor and now I lose a couple thousand bloodpoints” will even be relevant, if it ever actually was. (Not to mention the Prestige system revamp will greatly reduce the number of bloodpoints needed to unlock perks on your characters so you may not even care about BBQ as much just from that.)
So count me in the camp of wanting it to be automatic,
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For the sake of accuracy:
In your scenario if you mori a survivor on first down (no hooks) you get 1,000 points.
If you hook that survivor you get 200 points (Caught!) + 500 points (Hooked) + 250 points (Late Hook) + 200 points (Entity Summoned) + 500 (Late Sacrifice) for a grand total of 1,650 points. (Possibly 1,400 points - I dont recall off the top of my head if you get hooked + late hook). BHVR will definitely know to accommodate for this.
As for the rest, I can't really speak to or modify your preferences but I acknowledge them!
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Hard to believe people are actually for this "feature". By the same logic, if all survivors are alive when the gens are done, the game should instantly end with a cutscene of the survivors jumping up and down celebrating. The killer already lost, so it's just entitlement for them to expect another chance at a kill. Or some such nonsense.
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It'd be neat if, when loading into a trial, the Entity just picks a side to win without all of that silly "Playing the game" nonsense 😂
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"If you want to give hatch just AFK all game and let them do the gens and leave."
No. Why should I quit playing the game just to fix nonsense to that shouldn't be in the game in the first place?
And the automatic STILL REQUIRES THE DOWN. Meaning those exit gate people are still getting out. This changes absolutely NOTHING about gate campers. Plus, the ones who actually let you hit them are the ones being nice. The toxic ones run out before you can. So even if it does magically do something, it's doing it to the wrong people.
If BHVR removes the BP from BBQ they'll have riot, and they know it. It's not happening. And regardless of what they've done for Prestige the BP grind will always exist. Hell, I already have all the perks on everyone I use regularly so it doesn't even do much for me in the first place, and I still need tons of BP to keep stocked on items and add-ons and offerings.
Sorry, but the mechanic is just patently stupid. Removing choice from the player is never a smart move. Period.
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True, I did overlook the first hook event chain part of the scoring. My bad.
But that actually makes me fully expect this to be even worse, and the finisher Mori to be crap for points compared to a first hook kill. I do not trust BHVR to do this in way that doesn't screw up the game. They're not that competent.
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Why do you have to “afk all game” to give someone hatch. Either lead them to the hatch or, if they refuse to take it, just close it and start the endgame collapse. At that point they either die or escape.
And by the way, I have gotten quite a lot of hits on people right at the edge of the gates because they misguessed where they were and the only reason they got out was I was in attack recovery. They definitely don’t “all escape” in those cases.
And I seriously doubt there would be “a riot” if BBQ and Chili is changed once the prestige thing goes live.
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Actually, these 2 are not the same. The killer still has a chance (and end-game perks exist for that reason too). The last survivor (after being downed) no longer can do anything to save themself.
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DS, Unbreakable, Power Struggle, Flip Flop, Soul Guard, Adrenaline if the hatch is closed, crawling out an open gate or to hatch if the killer loses track of you or leaves you slugged to chase out teammates.
All of these are common enough scenarios and a hell of a lot more interesting than a mandatory cutscene.
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These are common? I can see maybe DS, but if you're truly the last survivor, how is UB, Soul Guard or Flip Flop gonna help?
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, leaves you slugged to chase out teammates,we don't actually know at the moment how the mori system works if there are 2 survivors and one is slugged. We only know what happens if there's only one survivor standing. We're only speculating what happens.0 -
Personally I'd also like this feature to be optional.
Mainly because of potential BBQ stacks and challenges. I'd be very annoyed if I had a 12 hook challenge and after getting 11 hooks I'm forced to mori the last survivor.
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It's called hyperbole. If you're going to just AFK for hatch, why not just AFK the entire match? If your "solution" to fixing a bad design idea is to NOT PLAY the game, that's essentially what you're suggesting.
And those people didn't misjudge. They knew they were close enough to get out.
And yes, there will be a riot if BP is removed from BBQ. Lots of people only bought Bubba, with cash, for the BP on BBQ. And the prestige update doesn't fix ######### about the item/add-on grind.
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False. I've saved myself as the last person, on the ground, and then escaped more than once.
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Why even give the hatch in the first place? You seem to be arguing that you want to give someone a hatch but if you don’t down them before you do it then somehow it’s the equivalent of being afk which makes no sense.
And no, there won’t be a riot is BP were removed from BBP. You’re still engaging in “hyperbole”.
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It's fun to have a final chase as killer. Especially when you plan on giving hatch anyways. The normal constant time pressure you're under as killer is off so you can go for weird mind games and stupid plays, memes, etc. Then have a wholesome hatch carry and ggs in the chat. Don't take that away for a forced cutscene that will be boring after a week.
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So chase them but don't down them, I still don't get the problem.
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You don't have to get it. Have your 4k cutscene and let the rest of us play how we want without taking options away. Everybody can be happy.
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I'd be happier if it was automatic personally.
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In the situation where you're exactly the last standing survivor?
Also I will repeat myself "But also
, leaves you slugged to chase out teammates,we don't actually know at the moment how the mori system works if there are 2 survivors and one is slugged. We only know what happens if there's only one survivor standing...."0 -
There's also another detail: when I can mori someone, I usually do it in an angle with no objects obstructing my view. If its automatic, how can we make sure we are going to be able to see the Mori instead of clipping into a wall?
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The location is set on every map, atleast that's what they wrote on that mori post. https://news.deadbydaylight.com/en/news/MoriRework?utm_campaign=mori-udpate%20&utm_content=&utm_medium=social%20&utm_source=facebook
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Wait, so Moris are going to have always the same background on each map, unless you bring Devour Hope or Rancor? That's kinda boring and will make it feel repetitive at some point.
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Do you not understand the concept of wanting to play the game that you're playing? I play the game from start to finish. The game does not end when the 3rd person dies. It ends when the last person is caught or escapes. If you're going to AFK and not play at the end, why did you even queue up to play at all, why not just AFK from the start?
The fact you can't seem to comprehend why someone wants to play the game all the way to the end is absolutely bizarre.
And yes, there wod be riots, and yes, that is hyperbole. Weird that you seem to understand that yet don't actually understand that. 🥴
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"So just don't play the game, 4head."
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Right, because that’s what I said when I said “chase them but don’t down them” if you want to give them hatch.
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Yes. As the very last Survivor in the game, everyone else already dead or out before I got downed. I've gotten adrenaline from them closing hatch first. I've gotten Power Struggle when they went through a pallet. I've simply wiggled off because they couldn't make the hook in time.
I've also had it happen to me a ton as Killer where I'll get the down near an open gate, pick them up, and the closest hook is simply too far to reach. Survivor wiggles out and escapes.
An automatic Mori is just bullshit. Hell, even making it optional is kind of bullshit, but it's at least less bullshit. There's nothing wrong with the current Mori system. They don't need to be wasting time fixing ######### that isn't broken when half their game doesn't work.
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You don't Mori on the spot of the down. Watch the video of it from the stream. It teleports you both to a preset location (which also looks incredibly stupid and tacky) where your view won't be blocked.
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Yes, it is. If you're chasing without the intent to actually CATCH them, you're not playing the game.
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Says the person who wants to play killer but doesn’t want to down the survivors.
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Have... have you not actually been reading the conversation? 🤣
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For real, the current mori offering system is more interesting than this. Another half-assed "rework"...
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I agree I think it's just make killer more miserable experience. Carrying the last survivor to hatch showing some kindness just keeps your going I will probably play lot less killer now or just do lot more farming matches. I don't know im just speechless. Even when I bring mori to kill the last survivor offering I let them usually escape anyway so this is just bad change for me.
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If anything, it should be optional.
I don't know why this is even on the table. It wouldn't even be a consideration if they gave players at 50% bleed-out the opportunity to 'give up' on die.
Because, at that point, you just give it to the survivor on the ground if they are the final one in the match.
Making it take 4-8 seconds to charge up would make it fair and keep survivors from cheesing it while allowing players to use it defensively.
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my first mori as pyramid head had the camera behind a wall and I couldn't see it 😭
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I'm fine with making it optional but not because i want survivors to have hatch, i just want to choose my spot to mori. Either that or make the killer mori in the location they down the last survivor.
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