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Is gen rush the dumbest complaint in DBD?
Just got shamed by a killer because at the start of the match me and my solo teammates all spread out on family's residence and did the first 3 gens solo.
They were playing Clown so obviously they were not going to do well against people who spread out, in the end it was 4e but in end game chat he wrote nice gen rush and that we did 3 gens super fast ???
I mean I am not really sure what people who use this term are expecting survivors to do when they are not in a chase. If they hover around to do flashlight saves or sabo plays then it's toxic, when you do do a gen you are gen rushing ?
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Honestly gens are just part of the game. Sometimes, they just rush, it's how it goes. Especially if they come in with a lot of toolboxes or those red new parts gears. You have to have some perks to help with that lol. That's why Tinkerer and Discordance are there.
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Well its one of the silliest. Its like say the killer is kill rushing if they keep getting hooks quickly.
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I think gen rush does exist as a concept but it's not the same as efficient survivor play
To me gen rush is when a 4 man all bring good toolboxes with BNP and have loadouts specifically designed around generator repair speed. The usual stuff like prove thyself, resillience, streetwise, built to last - stuff that makes generators go as fast as possible.
Thankfully this doesn't happen too often these days, a lot of matches can feel like a 'gen rush' but there's usually a little bit more to it than that. Plus, in the current meta most people run corrupt
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To me, the only time you can accuse a team of gen rushing is if they're bringing in really strong tool boxes and all are running Prove Theyself and Built to Last. The survivors have to do gens to end the game, so if they're not in chase, gens it is. Don't take what killers say too seriously in end game chat. If you weren't being malicious, don't worry.
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That one however is also common. At a point you will literally get accused of tunneling if you keep bumping and downing survivors back to back to back. Even if you're rotating survivors from their perspective it looks like you're focusing fire on one of them, even if you just happen to bump into them after they touch a gen or heal, thus deactivating DS.
Hence the occasional meme of 'tunneling' every survivor simultaneously.
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Saying "nice genrush" is pointless, whining in chat is never productive. Also claiming genrush when survivors just spawned spread out, or you went on a pointless 5 minute chase and all the gens got done.
I guess if I were that killer I might roll my eyes that the survivors felt splitting up and smashing out gens was the only option they had when faced with the almighty clown, but that's just how it goes sometimes. Type GG and onto the next.
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I've never understood it. Even as a killer main, I just don't understand it.
What are survivors supposed to do, if not generators?
When a generator is finished, are they supposed to be obligated to wander around for X amount of time before starting the next one? Is it "bad" if the survivor team gets lucky and starts the trial separated and are able to sit on 3 or sometimes even 4 generators simultaneously?
How is that the survivors' fault?
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Genrushing is more a problem from a survivors point of view I think.
I consider "gen rushing" a thing if for example you're on the hook and teammates refuse to unhook and let you reach next stage in favour of completing gens.
Obviously near end game it may make more sense, but this can often happen at 5 gens.
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I mean the genrushing complaint is stupid but gen speeds are a problem if the killer spawns super far and doesnt have Corrupt. Its a guaranteed 2 gen lost by the time you get into chase.
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Dumb? Maybe, but it's still very common complaint since without corrupt or any real gen slow down perks or your not playing a very mobile killer most likely 2 or 3 gens get done by the time you get your first down.
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I think that "genrushing" is a valid thing to complain about, but I don't think that it's a problem with player behaviour.
It's patently ridiculous to expect any given player not to use the most efficient tools to complete their objective most effectively. Some players do prefer looping the killer, but anyone who just wants to do the generators and avoid the killer to maximise their chance of winning is absolutely justified and valid in doing so.
The problem is that the tools they have are, by and large, way too effective. That's where the complaints should be levied, in my opinion.
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I try to empathize with the other side and see their point of view, not that I necessarily go out of my way to play around it.
I get why players complain about certain things. Don't necessarily agree with the complaints, but I get it. Games can feel hopeless until you reach a certain skill level.
I get why it feels like a gen rush, but the killer often committed to a chase for way to long in a bad portion of the map at the start.
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How dare you do your only objective.
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Gen Rushing does exist, Stacking BNP, prove thyself with toolboxes and streetwise , stuff like that.
What you did was not gen Rushing
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It's a pretty silly concept.
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I agree but do not blame other players, blame Bhvr
I mean we all log into this game probably every day and deal with the unbalanced bs on both ends, either accept it or complain to the devs, don't be bitter against the players. Same goes for camping and tunneling, they are effective strats for someone who wants to win as fast as possible but do not blame them, blame the game for allowing it to happen in the first place
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What you guys call "gen rushing" is simply playing the game.
Gen rushing refers to the old Brand New Part Prove Thyself squads that no longer exist after those things were nerfed. Prove thyself was nerfed and so was BNP to address this.
No such thing as gen rushing in the game anymore really unless they all bring a BNP but its still not the way it used to be
edit: dig up old yt vids of gens popping in like 14 seconds, that is gen rushing
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This is the third thread I've said this in today, but use Lethal Pursuer.
I've had many situations as survivor where the killer is using Corrupt and while there is a blocked generator next to me, there's an unblocked one literally seconds away because its not technically one of the furthest three from the killer.
Also when my friends and I see corrupt we just stealth around, cleanse or boon a totem, and actually feel obligated to spread out rather than hunker down on the first generator we see.
When we're up against a LP killer we can't do either of those things because they are on top of someone in seconds, and know where we are, so we can't stay in those starting positions and have to move further away anyway.
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Complaining about gen rushing is no more dumb than survivors complaining about camping/tunneling. Survivors basically spawn on top of gens, so whether or not they are trying to gen rush, it's going to feel like a gen rush when the killer loses 2 gens before the first chase. Unless corrupt becomes basekit, why would you ever think killers would feel good about losing gens so quickly before the first interaction even happens?
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Even though they're not directly comparable, gen rushing is the rage equivalent of a killer tunneling and camping. It just feels bad, and it feels like you just can't play the game. It's like doing nothing wrong but being 'punished' in a sense, for it. Sometimes people focus too much on the word and too little on what it conveys
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Well, i belive there is one even dumber complain. If the killer hooks someone, sees with bbq a survivor at the other end of the map, go to the other side, engage the survivor there in a chase, and he runs the killer back all the way to the hook...and then complain about camping and tunneling. I think thats even worse.
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Gen rushing, tunneling and camping are all dumb complaints
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Depends on the context. If you're accusing the game of making it too easy to do gens hyper efficiently, you could make that complaint fairly (regardless of whether people will agree or not). If you are accusing Survivors of doing something wrong by doing gens hyper efficiently, well, what else are they supposed to do? Not play the game as efficiently as they find necessary?
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"Gen Rushing" is not a complaint about Survivor behavior, like flashlight clicking, teabagging, or refusing to leave until the killer walks over so that you can rub your victory in their face.
"Gen Rushing" is complained about for the same reason "Hold W" is complained about: it's a highly successful strategy that requires no skill and is both the most effective way to win the game AND most killers have no counter to it.
It's a fundamental failing of the core game design that 3-4 people on 3-4 different gens is far more effective in this TEAM game than having multiple survivors on a single generator.
Solo gen repair should be SIGNIFICANTLY slower than team repair. Currently, it's 80 seconds versus 47 seconds. In a team-based game, you'd think a solo repair would take more than twice as long as a team repair, but the Devs have outright stated that they will not increase base gen repair times. And with the proliferation of perks that lengthen chase or reset killer damage progress, there's basically no answer but to play the few killers who actually CAN force survivors off of gens, like Nurse or Blight.
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I think personally, as a survivor main, the gen rushing complaints hold water. When all the gens are done oh so fast, it can be hard to get anything done. And when the killer has poor map pressure (in this sense due to their kit, not the player), it makes the game feel like it's just slipping through your fingers.
It's not a survivor issue; it's a game design flaw, or so I'd like to think.
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Gen rushing is definitely not the dumbest complaint cause it is a thing. DId you and your solo q teammates genrush? No. But did the swf with 3 toolboxes and 3 bnps gen rush? Yeah.
Also I don't understand people saying what else they are supposed to do besides gens considering how often people complain about noed.
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Idk isnt camping and tunneling a dumb complaint too?
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Yeah this is the only time i would say i was gen rushed. 100% agrees.
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No, it's not. It's about as ridiculous as complains about camping and/or tunneling.
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Yeah its pretty silly.
I think the complaint comes from trying to juggle the spread pressure of 4x people working on 1 gen each. Its just the most efficient way to complete the survivor objective while maximizing pressure on the killer, so you should anticipate survivors splitting up on gens.
The flip side is also true eliminating a survivor early taking it to 3v1 ASAP maximizes the pressure on the survivors in the most efficient manner for killer. It should be anticipated that the first person found will likely be the first person eliminated.
Both are equally valid gameplay if wanting to go for the win as efficiently as possible.
EDIT: I should qualify that I often think finishing 3 gens for 1 chase is a bit much, but that's a developer issue not a player issue.
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In personally don't consider it silly, because it is a thing. But you really can't blame survivors though.
Survivors don't have enough obj prior to gens. They have to rely on the the killer for another objective.
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It's stupid to accuse survivors of doing it unless you get a lobby with 4 fat toolboxes, but I do understand when it's not a complaint against specific survivors and more a complaint about the state of the game - because games being over too quickly before the killer really has a chance to do anything are definitely a thing, especially with M1 killers who have to break pallets. You just can't blame survivors for doing their objective ASAP, especially when the killer meta enforces this behavior with stacked slowdown perks and tunneling someone out of the game early.
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It is about as dumb as survivors complaining about tunneling. In the same ballpark given they are more or less equivalent relative to the roles.
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"They were playing Clown so obviously they were not going to do well against people who spread out"
You just proved the point that killers have to play S - A Tier killers in order to maximize their potential.
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People do say that though, they just call it tunneling.
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Genrush = The Survivors focussing down gens over anything else. No Totems, no Chests, no Healing sometimes even no Unhooking just to be as quick on gens as possible.
Genrush =/= efficiently doing Generators. Just because the Survivors were quick on doing gens, does not mean they were genrushing. Its much more likely that the Killer was lacking map pressure instead - whether that be due to misplays or bad RNG (like Clown on Yamaoka) doesn't matter.
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Well Gen Rushing is not the main issue....the main issue is how strong tool boxes are even after Nerf combined with how easy it is to hit great skill checks. I had a night where I was hitting them back and forth and speed through the gens solo. If the G.Skillchecks had a more randomness to their placement then gens wouldn't go so fast
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Is tunneling and camping? They're the same thing. Being efficient at your goal
"Genrush =/= efficiently doing Generators. Just because the Survivors were quick on doing gens, does not mean they were genrushing. Its much more likely that the Killer was lacking map pressure instead - whether that be due to misplays or bad RNG (like Clown on Yamaoka) doesn't matter."
Please tell me how long it should take, in your opinnion, for an M1 killer to find, hit, down, carry and hook a survivor at the start of a game. Now also, feel free to disagree, but most survivors know the map layout and can spread/get to gens in around 15ish seconds from spawning I would say. Now if you think the first chase + hooking takes around 60-80 seconds, I would agree with that! But hold on, that means survivors have around 3 gens anywhere from 50%-90% progress done. Or in other words against a good team of survivors as a standard M1 killer you should expect to lose 3 gens on the first chase without corrupt. Do you disagree with these values? I'd love to hear your reasoning how the survivor goal being 3/5 done before minute 2 hits the clock is fair/not gen-rushing.
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The counterpart of gen rushing is tunneling, not hooking. Also achieve a hook is harder than doing a gen.
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Honestly, people are going to complain if the opposing side is trying to win. Is it dumb to complain about it? Yes. Do people care that its dumb to complain about? No.
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I agree with this post.
I was watching some old VoDs of 2017-18 and man killer players were made differently back then. there was no slow downs on gens there was double pallets and killers still 2-4k a lot of games.
Over time survivors just changed adapted to all the changes and killer dont want to adapt and just complain about gen speeds with there 4 slow down perks carrying them.
Moral of the story is Survivor adapt to all the changes because back then it was 5% of players that knew how to loop and now everyone does. For killers they dont want to change.
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Its complaining about gens going to fast before the killer can do anything, and its a real problem for most killers, especially those without any map presence at all.
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This is what I've always viewed as gen rushing too. When the intent is to get in and get out asap, with an arsenal to boot.
For me personally, my initial goal upon entering any match is to get a gen done - preferably on my own. Because if I get killed off before I do that, then there's a chance i could miss out on a pip. Gens are pretty much prime objective. Once I have that gen done though then the map is my oyster lol totems, chases, rifling through chests, unhooking etc.
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Yea I think complaining about ppl doing their MAIN objective is pretty silly.
Tho I think the complaint is in a way a product of how the game is designed and balanced:
As survivors playing efficiently and bringing meta perks often is enough to win you games against M1 killers regardless of how well you did in chases;
As killer it’s often in your best interest to tunnel someone out early in the game and then start playing the game ‘fair’.
They’re both issues of the not fun way of playing being far better than the alternatives. So while complaining at your fellow players is kinda dumb I do sympathise with the frustration of those ppl.
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Nah, gen rushing can be a valid complain sometimes
The dumbest complains usually include words like "flashlight", "clicky clicky", and "teabag"
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