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Stop playing killer to make dbd balanced?
Why did we receive the recent Legion buffs and slight nerfs to COH and Boil Over? It's because survivor queues kept increasing because nobody wanted to bother playing the dreadful and stressful killer role. Then the devs were like "oh damn we need killers to even have dbd". So they provided some slight buffs and nerfs to attract killer players back, but it certainly wasn't enough lol. Trust me if you want the game to be balanced and fair, just stop playing killer, when survivor queue times increase, only then will the devs be forced to balance their game and make it more fair.
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Yeah I came back for like 3 matches, only to find out the rubber banding was back, but it was only affecting me when playing killer and no survivors in my games were affects. This happened in every match. Add in that every match was a gen rushing 4-5 minute match where the first 3 gens were done in the first minute, followed swiftly by the last 2 gens being finished about a minute and a half later. Yeah not worth the trash bloodpoints to play
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i started to play other games since i was tired of the actual state of this game... best choice that i did until now... since the things won't change anytime soon, i just marked dbd as a lost cause
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YOU can count on ME!
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All this would do would make morning queue times for me as survivor marginally slower
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People really have a bad grasp on just how many people play this game huh?
Even if every forum member here stopped playing killer it would not make a difference.
That they added bp bonusses for the struggling queues can be chalked up to the survivor killer ratio being off.
Thinking other changes are affected much by this is pretty silly
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What happens then if survivors also stop playing because que times are too long and most games involve camping and tunnelling?
Does this mean the devs will think survivors are weak? Maybe they'll think it's balance if both sides stop playing the game at a 4:1 ratio.
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I love play killer, i will not stop play.
Faster queues, more bp and more fun. And there is not solo teammates, who will destroy my fun.
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You can stop playing Killer, but at least stop opening Forum Posts as well.
This constant complaining is just too much. And most of the time the player behind the PC is the reason why they lose that many games. But for some reason, the DBD-Community (and this goes for both sides) is not able to reflect on their own mistakes. I am 100% sure that there are some players out there who never had the thought "Ok, maybe I did not play that well" and are instead blaming the game the whole time. (I know at least 1 vocal streamer is like that, so there will be more of those)
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that is just not true if every forum member stopped playing killer that would def make it a difference. Would it be a big enough difference? Idk.
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I would never stop playing killer. When I get fed up with the Solo Q, I switch to the killer role. If I only get Genrush-Chuck-Norris-Death-Squads I'll go back to survivor. And sometimes I take a break and play civilization to calm down or hang around in the forums...... Yes, I had some bad matches recently.
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In april the avarage number of players on steam was 38,331
How many active forum members are there? A 1000? I don't think more then that.
That's 2.6% of a single moment in time of a single platform and that is with the very generous number of a 1000 active forum members.
The forums are the very definition of loud minority
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Way ahead of you :p
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I have stopped playing last year. Deathslinger, Wraith nerfs, validation feedback, CoH, MMR
they fixed most of my issues except balancing of course. I might start again after their balance patch just to test things.
That will most likely either save or kill their game. Most likely kill
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How about you start to accept that the one role is always more stressfull by nature? Killer has never been so easy as the gameplay is completely broken towards killers. Everytime anyone complains on the forums, esp you, its more than obvious its a player issue and not a game issue. Start thinking about yourself and not blaming anything else. At some point you would realize how bad you are as player.
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currently am taking a break for killer untill the perk updates, games are full of boons (I want the perks for finally not care about Boons for dear lord) , dead hards , gens flying in almost 4 minutes.
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how is gameplay completely broken towards killers in general?
I would give you some top tier killers, but definetly not overall thing. Unless you want to convince me that Pig, Trapper, Myers etc. are OP.
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Game is survivor sided , Devs never nerf survivor.
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This idea that only one role has problems and frustrations to deal with is ridiculous. Both roles can be very frustrating. Killer can be very stressful, and there are matches that are definitely unwinnable, though I do very much believe those are not as common as some people would want you to believe.
But solo survivors have to deal with matchmaking problems, and all survivors have to deal with camping and tunneling, which are insanely frustrating to go against.
My queue times have actually been fairly balanced on average. Killer can take a bit longer during the day and survivor a bit longer in the evening. I definitely need to take breaks from this game, but I won't not play killer just so they can get buffed.
Not to mention we seem to be getting small baseline changes in the big perk update patch as well.
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Stop letting slowdown perks carry you. Take them off and run no perks/chasing perks instead, then you’ll naturally become better and your games will be less frustrating because your MMR will actually reflect your skill.
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You know what achieves even less than OPs suggestion?
Not doing anything and just accepting everything as it is "because I can't change it anyway".
And say what you want, but the fact that a bunch of really good announcements / changes were made recently is 100% due to a large amount of players (me included) leaving this game in favor of other, actual fun, games.
And what is there even to lose? In a worst case scenario OP and some others will stop doing something they didn't enjoy anyway, while in a best case scenario they actually manage to bring change to this game and push it in a more healthy direction that everyone will benefit from.
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I never said don't do anything, everyone is allowed to give their critiques in a respectfull way.
And it would be 100% ok to leave the game if you don't like it. I would encourage that all the way. That's not what ends up happening with this community.
What happens is that those people stick around and keep trying to convince everyone just how terrible this game is and just souring the overall mood.
You just did it yourself with your "actual fun games" remark. DbD is actual fun. Might not be everyone's cup of tea but so many people wouldn't play it if it wasen't fun.
Also no good changes happen constantly in this game. Some people have just conditioned themself to only see the negative. The game hasen't had a single moment where it didn't thrive to improve itself.
Leaving a game for something else cause you aren't enjoying it is 100% valid and i endorse it completely. Leaving it to try and boycot them is just a unhealthy mindset
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I mean there's a reason why most perk played on killers are slowdown perk, no matter how skilled they are.
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Slowdown perks are a trap though, if you keep winning with them you'll just get survivors that you can't beat without them.
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Not playing Killer won't solve much. The game was never meant to be fair towards killers. Nobody wants to see killers win. Why would anyone root for the killer? The only reason killer is a playable role is because of pure FANTASY. If killer role was just Bots it would be supper boring, BOt killers and Survs are okay if you wanna learn the mechanics but in a real match you need the Human unpredictability aspect of things otherwise it's boring but at the same time the goal isn't for the killer to win.
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Do you even watch horror movies? Killers win most of the time, the exception generally being the final girl or guy. What do you mean "why would anyone root for the killer?". Outside of laurie strode most people wouldnt be able to name a horror movie survivor. Do you really think BHVR is moving liscensed DLC because of survivors? Get real.
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Do you watch Horror movies for the killer to win? Cause if you do then that's the FANTASY side of it, exactly like i said DbD works... Killer being player controlled is the FANTASY. Same thing as being impostor in Among Us. However that's just 1 person vs manny therefore your power FANTASY won't happen the way you want it to.
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Damn. All this survivor players trying to say that killers are balanced when the proof is right up their face. There's a reason why there's no one playing killer. They should really try killer out before complaining that it's balanced.
Killer runs all this meta generator slow down perks like Corrupt and such is because totem spawns are so bad that they will expire within 2 minutes along with undying.
If they don't run slowdown perks, 2 generators or more will be repaired in within 3 minutes.
Survivor can just hold W to buy time. not to mention that there's lots of safe loops and god pallets
Killer tunnel survivors because they are already injured and can turn the game to 3 v 1. It takes a survivor 8 secondish to heal itself along with medkit which can be used twice or more depending on addon. Generator repairs are already fast without toolbox.
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Its really the worst argument out there
The game is bamanced around slowdown. It means that everything is balanced around the FACT that people HAVE to run slowdowns. You can be the best killer out there, if you play against a competent swf without slowdown, you'll lose most of your matches. Thats not a "you got carried by slowdown".
Let me play csgo with only pistols to get to my true rank. I wont get carried by ak and awp. That's how stupid your argument is
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I'm sorry that slowdowns are such an integral part of gameplay to you that going without them would feel like playing an FPS with pistols only, that sounds genuinely unpleasant.
Most survivors can be beat without them. A decent & coordinated team running their own meta perks? No, you'll lose, but losing sometimes is a small price to pay for not having to run the same crap every single match.
Anyway a load of them are probably going to be gutted at the same time as the survivor second chances, it's a good a time as any to try something different.
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They wont gut smowdown without changing gens or objectives. Doing so would really bring the fatal blow to the game.
There is a reason why there are so many slowdowns perks in the game and why everyone uses one of them. It's not because its easier but because its mandatory in the current state of the game. Just as bt should be basekit on survivor side by now.
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Yeah I'm (cautiously) hopeful there'll be some good base changes along with them
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I.. wha... are.... HOW? I suppose the hatch change wasn't a nerf to survivors or certain perks being buffed and then scaled back again. Do I really need to make a list for you or were you just exaggerating?
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Yes, please. Make that list.
Every single time someone tried to make a list, claiming that survivors receive more nerfs than killers. Someone else came up with a killer list, which was 3 times longer.
But I'm sure your list will be different.
Devs have been spamming us with slowdown perks for over a year. Because they see, that something is wrong with gen times. But don't know how to fix it, without making gens even more boring to do. Ironically, despite gens being boring, they are the favorite thing for survivors, when not being chased.
Oh and on regard of the hatch getting it's first nerf after only receiving buffs. Moris were nerfed twice before that and are about to receive their final nerf.
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The claim was they never nerf survivors, which isn't true. I didn't say survivors receive more nerfs than killers. I don't know if they have or haven't, but that wasn't the point.
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Ok then, stop playing now and we'll see you you in...6 months? come back to tell us how it went.
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Each individual killer is different and has an entirely different set of addons and abilities so obviously they’ll get more nerfs lmao
The lengths people go to create Us vs. Them arguments are shocking
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Yes, please... Stop complaining about killer, put your money where your mouth is. It is hard to believe killer is such an oppressive experience when my survivor queues are instant.
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You mean like asking to make a list?
I totally agree!
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I’m not trying to take sides here I’m just saying that saying “x side gets more nerfs” is an insanely flawed argument
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Only if survs stop letting 2nd chance perks carry them. You'll always be at a disadvantage and handicapping your capabilities against an opposition who could care less if you try to pull and Otz and will abuse every advantage they get.
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Yeah, but offering to make a list was kinda...
Just wanted to make a point there. To reflect about the whole list task.
Both sides receive nerfs. Sadly with unmatched time frames, like the year difference between the mori and the hatch nerf. Then when one side receives the nerf to balance things out, people with really short term memory claim that only their side gets nerfed.
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Queen, Preach! 🙏
No one is willing to say "I just played bad, I need to adapt"
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Okay. Lets try this again. Im commenting on a basic trope within the horror genre. Its not about rooting for the killer. I have no idea what your rebuttal is trying to say.
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Why would Behavior pay money for licensed killers? Certainly not to draw survivor players. If you have characters that the director doesn't make you care about, or are there just for a body count, then people will root for the killer. Name someone who has survived in the Elm Street, Saw, TCM, Scream, or Hellraiser franchises that wasn't a strong lead or final girl and wasn't in league with the killer at any point offhand? Chances are few and far between. But it's classic bait and switch with this game. Give you compelling killers with great aesthetics, solid or good mechanics....and then make adjustments that skew in survs favor and not fully address game balance...
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Incorrect, Legion has been underperforming and has received a lot of criticism. BHVR decided it was time to bring legion up to date.
They wont be able to just buff all Killers on a dime, however to fix the problems, they need data and data requires Killers.
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