SWF BUFFS

Ehm... ok? It's not like we didn't know...

I feel like this is highly exagerated though. I don't think swf survivors have the same effect of most of these perks. Kindred and Bond make the most sense, but even then, it's not the exact same.

If you suspect a person is running Discordance (not that many do... but if you're teaming a gen and the killer comes out of left field right for you a couple times in a row on multiple gens, you can pretty much rest easy knowing it's in play), 2 teammates tap the same gen for a second, then split off to do other gens. If the killer is pretty far off, this can buy quite a bit of time. Until they figure out their perk is doing them harm, you can pretty much run the field by using it against them (either bouncing to opposite ends or keeping the killer at one end while the other end is told to finish off their side of the map). The higher the tier of Discordance you have, the longer it takes for you to realize you've just been had by a diversion. That perk gets worse as the tiers go up.

Playing against a SWF group to me is the equivalent of the killer using speed hacks. It's cheating. The game isn't balanced around survivors each getting 10++ perks, it's based on 4.

Well, the problem here is that the game should make fun.
If you play hardcore like, then well... You never will have fun.

I often play against SWF, but im always having fun with it because then the game gets more intense.
I love how often SWF are super stupid when playing together, especially they are super altruistic.
You can also use that SWF group to counter them.

@Warlock_2020 said:
@Wolff_Bringer So very true. I've noticed the number of dodges and it is rediculous. They dodge my wife, son, and I. My wife is legally blind, my son does absolutely nothing but crazy builds (No Mither, Self-Care) as a joke because he likes ot make people laugh. We are the easiest SWF in the world, but the crybabies dodge like crazy.

As I mentioned in another post, I've had over 25 matches as Trapper/Pig this week and almost all were against SWF. Only 1 was a hit-squad type and I got two of them. Was fun.

I would say your swf group is more the outlier than the norm. Also, based on how you described your family team it's safe to say you are playing with them at lower ranks. At low ranks the swf aren't an issue. If you faced more of the SWF groups at rank 1 you would understand more where people are coming from by seeing the toxic swf groups much more often and much more organized.

@Warlock_2020 said:
@Blueberry I played Trapper at Rank 1 and survivor to know that 95% of all the players in the red reanks are sweaty or toxic. There is little fun to be had with anyone at that level. Killers blame survivors, survivors blame killers. In reality, they are both toxic most of the time at red ranks.

Then you're basically agreeing with me which makes this quite contradictory to your previous statement.

I know this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the devs should incorporate ingame voice chat. Just for survivors. So no external voice com is required. 
Remove all the information the devs gave survivors in a desperate attempt to balance solo to swf.
Then balance the game around voice chat.

Don't like that 12 year old kid that screams into your ear? Press the mute button. 

@Warlock_2020 said:

@Blueberry said:

@Warlock_2020 said:
@Blueberry I played Trapper at Rank 1 and survivor to know that 95% of all the players in the red reanks are sweaty or toxic. There is little fun to be had with anyone at that level. Killers blame survivors, survivors blame killers. In reality, they are both toxic most of the time at red ranks.

Then you're basically agreeing with me which makes this quite contradictory to your previous statement.

No, I'm saying it is a choice. You can choose to be all serious and get frustrated with other people's gameplay, or you can choose to stop running the rat race and play the game for fun. I gave up caring a long time ago. Probably why I'm not in the red ranks anymore. If I'm playing survivor and the killer is just getting smoked, I'll let them catch me. I don't care. I'f I'm outclassing the survivors, I'll toy with them and let them go. Why? Don't care. You choose to get frustrated with toxic players, that is your choice.

Guess what Rank 1 means? Absolutely nothing. Zero, zilch. You get nothing out of it other than ego boost/bragging rights. The game is meant to be fun, and sweating over the few toxic SWF's that hang out at rank 1 is not worth it.

Admitting it's not balanced and giving up to not take it seriously are 2 very different things and I think you were conflating the two.

"Guess what Rank 1 means? Absolutely nothing. Zero, zilch" This is absolutely not true and I hate when people spew this nonsense. Is the ranking system heavily flawed? Absolutely. Does it meaning nothing? Absolutely not, those are very different things. While it is flawed a rank 1 will play MASSIVELY better than a rank 20 for example. The ranks are more a testament to time played rather than skill but that still amounts to higher ranks playing way better and having more skill from experience still.

If leaving rank 1 to get away from "sweaty toxic players/swf" is the answer to have fun, then I think you've agreed with me again that SWF is an issue and that if leaving rank 1 is the answer that we also have a rank issue.

Let's not forget that SWFs allow for higher ranking survivors to play against lower ranked killers. 
It bypasses any need to depip, like killers generally have to do (not that I endorse it), and let's them complete the goal of an even easier game.
This leads to the irony, if not outright hypocrisy leveled at Killers when people complain they just want an easier game.

Yes, I argue SWF is even worse when you're newer, and trying to get set up. 

People who have played longer, and especially stay in high ranks keep suggesting builds, and perks that newer killers may not have.
It's like people forget that other people don't have all perks rank 3, if they even have the perk at all.
The higher ranks maybe taking a step back, and considering what SWF would be like if they couldn't run their preferred builds, or their backup, or their backup to that might help put things into perspective. 
It's no good to suggest running an Omega blink nurse to someone who doesn't have the addons for it, after all.

Newer, less equipped killers are in the ranks a lot of SWFs want to target so they are far more frequent. 
Worse still is these SWFs generally decide they want to annihilate the killer and act like they've accomplished something even though they purposefully aim for easier games. This absolutely ruins the experience of the killer, imo.

Only bad killers have an issue with SWF, lol.

Pudding said:

now imagine what people will say when they remove the ability to play with friends

Nobody would play the game anymore lol playing multiplayer games alone just isnt as fun as with friends

@Tsulan said:
I know this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the devs should incorporate ingame voice chat. Just for survivors. So no external voice com is required. 
Remove all the information the devs gave survivors in a desperate attempt to balance solo to swf.
Then balance the game around voice chat.

Don't like that 12 year old kid that screams into your ear? Press the mute button. 

That's the problem though. If the game and all it's killers is balanced around voice comms, than every survivor that doesn't want to deal with voice comms will have quite the disadvantage to other survivors.
On the other hand there doesn't really seem to be a different way to balance it, since people don't like the idea of survivors getting to much information. But if all killers were balanced around 4 man swf squads that play quite optimally, I fear the game will lose a lot of solo survivor players, or even swf players that don't use voice comms to play as organized as possible.

@Blueberry said:
Playing against a SWF group to me is the equivalent of the killer using speed hacks. It's cheating. The game isn't balanced around survivors each getting 10++ perks, it's based on 4.

To be specific, a SWF with outside-of-game voice coms. Without voice coms, SWF is for the most part harmless. Worst you'll get is 4 last minute flashlight switching, or everyone running insta-heals, etc.,

@Warlock_2020 said:

@Blueberry said:

@Warlock_2020 said:

@Blueberry said:

@Warlock_2020 said:
Blueberry, Rank 1 means nothing. Never has. If it means something to you, then deal with the bs at red ranks. It has no in game benefits at all. It is nothing but an ego feed. lol

I've told you why what you're saying is incorrect but you provided no rebuttal. If you don't want to play there so be it, but rank does mean something whether you want to believe it or not. The real ego feed is intentionally playing at lower ranks when you know you should be higher just so you can win more.

I don't think you are old enough to see the flaw in your statements. Seriously, usually a ranking system has purpose. It's good to be at the top due to benefits. This game, the rank is nothing more than a personal ego stroke. I never said the game is balanced. What I said is, you have a choice in how to play the game, knowing it is not balanced. This game has been out 3 years and the balance is never going to be there. Why? Because if you punish SWF, people stop playing survivor. You know what happens when the survivor pop drops? Game dies.

Need a flow chart?

I think you're IQ isn't high enough to see the flaws in your statements.

" Seriously, usually a ranking system has purpose. It's good to be at the top due to benefits."
Or you know maybe the fact of separating people with different skill levels

"This game, the rank is nothing more than a personal ego stroke."
As already stated, the real ego stroke is intentionally playing at lower ranks than you should be to win more

"This game has been out 3 years and the balance is never going to be there. Why? Because if you punish SWF, people stop playing survivor."
I never said to punish SWF, not sure where you are getting this. I said split ques.

"You know what happens when the survivor pop drops? Game dies. "
The sky is also blue and the grass is also green

"Need a flow chart?"
I think you just need to go back to school to improve your critical thinking

LoL This is pointless.

You get what you give.