How Am I Supposed to Win As Survivor?

The MMR Hell. If you didn't survive, was it really a skilled play? gives you a bunch of potatoes as teammates who have no idea how to play the game, which in turn means you can't really ever escape because you need your teammates to be at least quasi-competent (they don't need to be super good but "not miss a basic skill check" good, which should take about 30 minutes of gameplay to get to...). But you keep getting potato teammates because you're "not skilled" in the eyes of BHVR and potato teammates get you killed which means you're "not skilled" in the eyes of BHVR which gets you potato teammates which...

It's amazing how damn bad some people can be at this game

Also also because more people need to go watch this guys stuff...

That's one of the big problems with the MMR.

With the old system even if you "lost" as long as you played well you were still moving up in rank thus increasing the quality of your teammates on average.

Now with MMR it's completely irrelevant if you played well if you still die because of teammates like that. Not only are you not getting better teammates but since you died it's now going to drop your MMR and give you even worse teammates than that. It's essentially going to lock you into a downward spiral.

I was kind of surprised the Solo Q improvements weren't mentioned in the anniversary

Sorry to hear that your games haven't been going so well.

Xeah but that was also the flaw of the old system. If you didn't outright suck, you managed to reach red ranks with enough time and dedication to playtime each month.

And we ended up with the hotpot of all skillevels in red and that was such a mess that in the end matchmaking was irrelevant and everyone got matched with everybody to ward of queue times.

I only play solo Q and it actually surprises me how inefficient some people play. It's not even like I'm asking for a comp team, just a team that doesn't just stand or crouch doing nothing. Also I feel like all the survivors shouldn't be dead if you have a 3 man unless said 3 man isn't that good or isn't really trying to win. Unless, you know, blight or nurse.

The only winning move is not to play.

Thank you for this, it was a good watch.

It's funny how many people complain about killer camping and such yet this stuff doesn't annoy me anywhere near as much as survivors just not using (un)common sense. If you try something and fail, fine, but when you are just not doing anything productive and crouch walking around the map when you KNOW where the killer is, that is incredibly infuriating.

Being support would work great if people actually wanted to be healed. Honestly, I chase survivors sometimes to try and heal them quickly because I've got perks to do it and they are basically like 'Nah, I'm gunna keep making loud noises and give away my position instead and go down instantly thanks'. I stopped running support perks because of this. The rest of the advice is alright but still frustrating and not enjoyable in my subjective opinion.

Well the best solo q survivor gets are bots. Hopefully they'll be at least passable for playing a good chunk of the game and some progression can still be made against them. I'm not betting on it though.

Nah, the old system had a massive flaw, same as even if you "lost" you still ranked up slowly so did the bad players, bad people who played a lot ended up in Iridiscent anyway by virtue of playing a lot, granted a bad player with 2000 hours is better than a bad player with 10 because at least the experience gives them insight about some stuff but you could be rank 1 and paired with 3 rank1 potatoes.

I dont know what they did to the MMR but after the "tweaks" to sort the queues my teammates have been worse than average and my matches as Killer much easier because there is at least one potato always which gets hooked in less than 25 seconds and allows me to pressure the rest for free.

I suppose they had to sacrifice someone to shorten the queues and since Solos have been getting the short end of the stick since the game released it was only natural for us to get thrown under the bus again.

MMR just doesn't work properly as survivor at the highest MMR. Randoms 90% of the time are awful, have little game sense and are very poor in chases. When they go for an unhook save when the killer is camping, you already know 10 seconds in advance that they will get pulled off because they don't even fake it. In my experience I don't always face the best killers either, so that's inconsistent too.

To give you some advice, stop waiting for the developers to fix the matchmaking system and try to play with other good players in a SWF. I know it's rare but if you have a good survivor teammate send them a friend request and keep doing that until you consistently have other good players to play with.

What do you mean, you can´t enjoy the match? This clip has hilarious!

The softcap is pretty irrelevant, Peanits confirmed in a reply when they had their big MMR blog post that the number of people who are over the softcap is extremely small. And similarly when they recently posted charts of perk usage by MMR, the upper end at the soft cap appeared to be less than 1% of players. Only a tiny fraction of the playerbase is actually over the softcap.

Right, but I guess I disagree with the notion that it shouldn't really be considered because the number is so small. Those players still exist, and they probably don't have a ton of fun with the current matchmaking. Survivors certainly don't seem to have fun against my Nurse. It's a cynical way to develop a game IMO. "At a certain point, X amount of players will get so good that they stop having fun or ruin other people's fun."

Whenever I'm in a 3-man SWF, our random is bound to mess up hard and if it's a sweaty killer, they'll capitalize on the random's mistake.

We just had Felix kill himself first hook when 5 gens were left because all 3 of us were working on different gens and we were facing a sweaty blight.

It's nowhere near a skill issue.

God I hate it when they try to start killing themselves when you are trying to finish a hook. Like, bruh, you can hang for a minute. If we finish the gen, we have a better chance as escaping as a whole team. I only let myself die if say they literally leave me until my second hook, then I'm hasta luega.

Dont twist my words.

First you said here it was you and 2 friends by maths one of the barrel ones has to be one of them at least

secondly I didn't say they can throw the game, but that you helped making it harder with 4 less perks on the team for an achievement that rewards nothing and isn't really required, condition to be played in multiple matches, but things like this don't happen multiple matches in a row.

Finally for a "better example" I woud show more footage over than ten seconds lost, that's what I meant. There are worse situations like teammates pre dropping pallets when they shouldn't, farming, griefing, constant skillchecks failed, using specific killer resources for themselves and not letting the rest, constant self cares at the corners. Again I know you attached other clips in another comment bt my point is that barrel worship isn't the worst to complain with.