Some killers have a serious pride issue
Like, really. Really serious.
Like, survivors have an huge entitlement problem where "don't use X" "don't play like Y" or the whole "I`ll be petty because I won" and we all know it, but somehow people rarely talk about enormous pride issue some killers have.
I recently started unironically playing a lot of survivor (I played survivor a little bit once in a while, but only recently got a lot of time playing this side), since playing killer got really old and frustrating for me and I play it purely for challenges/whenever new killer comes out and I`m not sick of him yet, and god damn it I`m getting really tired of that.
I can somewhat tolerate killers playing "effective" strats. I myself advocated for those for years because I know that's the only ways of control killer can have and that's on survivors if they let tunneling or camping killer get what they want and I still have that opinion even though I deal with that BS almost every game one way or another. Ok, he's is using an effective strategy against us. Maybe he doesn't know it's an overkill to camp second hook stage at 5 gens with 2 other injured survivors, maybe they really want to win and play competitively. Okay, I can understand that.
What I can't understand is unreasonable (sorta) toxicity coming from the killer whenever you genuinely outplay them.
For example, I was playing bite the bullet overcome build whose whole idea is to get smacked, make as much distance as possible while breaking line of sight and then just heal in the corner while killer thinks you've gone somewhere else.
I got matched against the nurse on ormond and got her good a few times. After she "patrolled" her first kill and got 1 gen left with ~6-7 hooks, she continued to camp and slug. Okay, that's fine, she's just trying to win.
She finally slugs the third survivor (knockout btw) and goes to look for me. Spends almost entirety of the bleedout timer looking for me in the main building because I blew up a gen there.
I managed to hide and she went to hook that survivor on the last second. Okay, that is also fine, I`m still not mad or offended, just thinking it's an overkill.
I start looking for hatch, she finds me, a chase starts. I drop a pallet, fake vaulting and win myself a little bit of time and distance. She then manages to catch up to me and hit me, I repeat my bullet proof stealth strategy and manage to barely avoid her and heal back. She hasn't found the hatch yet so I go the opposite way she went in hope I get luckier.
We cross our paths and she cuts me off, but instead of keeping to chase me, she goes back and stands on hatch nodding. I take that as a kindness gesture and approach her. She closes the hatch. Okay, understandable, starting to get mean, but I can excuse that, she pretended to give me hatch in our to lure me out and end this quicker.
I inevitably go down because I`m exhausted at this point and stuck in the open field. She then proceeds to slug me for almost entirety of EGC collapse and hooks me right in the end to prolong it, while nodding to me when I was bleeding out and hitting me when I`m hooked. I wasn't teabagging or bm`ing her in any way, neither was I actively sabotaging my teammates or doing anything else that could've justified being like that to me. Nope, all I did was hurt her pride by outplaying her with a basically meme build.
In other situation I also got slugged to death by another nurse. Reason? She told me "I was delaying the match by hiding" and other things like that. All I did was do well in chases against her, so well that she had to often drop chasing me and pick up third slugged guy because she refused to hook him and wanted to get me. That was enough for her to make me bleed to death and nod to me during the entirety of that time. I don't think it's entitlement, just the least bad sounding reason she could've come up with to justify her hurt pride. "bUt iM pLaYiNg nUrSe, i MuSt bE gOoD, yOu cAnT oUtPlAy mE".
And that stuff happens very often, this is just the most remembered cases. I just don't understand that. Why do people do that? I've been playing killer for years and I've never resorted to being unreasonably mean to people just because they outplayed me. A lot of things happened, but I'm sure I've never felt an urge to slug the last guy for 4 minutes just to spite him. No, I`m not being a hypocrite, my worst sin is letting an entire team bleed out after a few minutes of teabagging at pallets and flashlight clicks. Yeah, maybe that's bad, but that is at least partially justified. Otherwise, even I get really mad, I do my best not to resort to BM`ing, if the other team didn't do it.
I just feel like those people I've encountered have a pride issue. Walter White season 5 levels of pride, petty and unreasonable. God forbid survivor 360 you or successfully mindgame you or use an obscure rarely used perk, that is not just a facecamp, but 4 minute penalty before new match rightfully earned. Same stuff whenever they feel like they're in control. It's like they are winning so rarely, that they just HAVE to get it out on those unlucky who they finally managed to defeat sweating like on a tournament.
Yeah, people are free to play however they want and that is why I don't have a problem with "efficient" strats and perks (at least not with the people using them). It is in the game, it is not patched, it is totally fine for you to use it, even if I feel like you could've done well without it. But I just can't understand or excuse pure petty BMing for nothing, but playing well.
That happens just too often to be a "just one bad person" issue. Do even the slightest thing that hurts killer's self confidence about being good and they'll go all out of their way to murder me to fix their glass fragile ego. Maybe it's not pride and they are just being petty because they won, but, honestly, that almost always conveniently happens whenever they get outplayed. Not when they just win, but when they get outplayed one way or another, but still manage to get their hands on that survivor.
Sigh, can't wait for the new mori rework, at least that'll spare us from 4 minute sluggers. Or for bot matches. I would've played max difficulty bots all day long just not to deal with people like that, I don't care about bloodpoints anyway at this point.
I still don't want to play killer because it's no better there, just on a few levels higher due to my experience and many times more boring.
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TBH I barely read any of that. It's way too long if you want any replies. By looking at the first sentence i'm gonna say that killer and survivor "pride" balances itself out. Survivors have "pride issues" in their own way and killers have theirs too.
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A lot of players get lured into playing killer because it appears like the game's power role, and the average person isn't introspective enough to reconcile with their expectation of being an unstoppable killing machine vs. the reality of it being a much more evenly matched competition despite the fact that the survivors don't have much in the way of "fighting back"
That, and playing killer is a fairly lonely experience without community spaces like this forum. Killers don't have a lot of ways to compare and share notes with other killers in the way survivors can communicate with each other post-game, so the bulk of feedback that killers get tend to come from the survivors they play against. You can probably guess what kind of skewed feedback that can result in.
It certainly doesn't justify the way some killer players engage with the game, but I can at least understand why it happens.
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I’ve noticed that a lot of people like to make themselves think that they’re the players that the devs side against, their role is the more challenging one, so they should be proud that they’re fighting against the entitled and spoiled other side.
it creates an environment of inflated pride, double standards, and division between the community.
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The reason that pride is so abundant is that its part of dbds cycle, its a common response to deflect blame for your losses but accept success it just leads to the building of pride over time
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I wonder if the meta changes coming will change situations like this over time. Sometimes if you do anything more than just run in the open the killers get mad at you. You never know when hitting that solo que ready button.
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Never trust a killer that stands near the hatch. If they are genuine about it, they don’t need to be right next to it. Same goes for if they carry you over and drop you a few feet away from it. They’ll just have you crawl over and close it in your face. Same goes for exit doors. Just stand still and look at them or shake your body “no.” If you really want to test their intentions, point for them to move away until your comfortable with how far they are. If they don’t move far enough not to make it to the hatch or down you before you can get close to it, then don’t bother. Don’t give them the satisfaction.
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Yeah, I really hope meta changes would address those issues too.
I`m all in for fixes to tunnelling/camping, but only if devs would also make some changes to make healthier playstyles more valid, as right now it's understandable to camp if a regular chase against a semi competent survivor losing you at least a gen.
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People have pride. I have pride, you have pride and all that jazz. Some killers will meme around and hit people on the hook with 8 stacks of save the best for last because it's funny. Survivors teabag behind pallets waiting for you to break it so they can blind you because it's funny. Survivors head on stun over and over as a team because it's funny.
A nurse who acts this way isn't doing that because they are a nurse. It's because they are human. Closing hatch in someone's face is funny to see their reaction.
Am I saying this is wrong? No I'm just saying this sort of stuff can be fun in someone else's eyes.
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When I play killer survivors who are hiding all match enrage me as this means fewer blood points. I would rather have a group of clickers sashaying backwards.
Some players cannot accept any defeat and would do anything to prevent it regardless of the fairness. As you might imagine they have other mental problems as well.
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that's the different pride indeed
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Hiding survivors are a pain, but I personally never remember myself acting toxic towards them purely for that.
Even in the worst situations when survivors are literally keeping the game hostage, I still don't resort to petty answer like that.
As for chase dropping builds, never had a problem with that either, at least not with the people using them.
But yeah, a lot of people I've encountered think that the only way they can heal their hurt ego is by washing off shame with blood and bming.
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Or people can just play 50/50, honestly, I don't get how people can play a game, and NOT try every character at least once
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So I wasn't the only one thinking that, ok, lol
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the community is sensitive to anything. I got tunneled camped and hit on the hook by an Oni for just picking up and item in his face
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you sound a little hurt,
also you can't really know if a killer is friendly even if they act like they are,
I nod at survivors I down, after they spam flashlight at me with clicks.
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maybe don't comment if you did not bother to read the post in its entirety.
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Yeah, as a killer I don’t get mad at survivors who out loop me or who are good at hiding or whatever. I get frustrated at myself when that happens but I certainly don’t think they’re being jerks. I do think survivors are jerks when they run around spamming flashlights at you or doing the “hey, watch me leave!” thing at the exits when the game is over, but that has nothing to do with when they play better than me.
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Both sides have their fair share of weirdos that are entitled in the most ridiculous ways, or get toxic over the dumbest #########. I do also think this is also caused by the fact that DBD, in it's current state, can just have too many frustrating elements happen in a match, which is it's biggest problem honestly. But yeah, some people in this community are just kind of insane.
And it's also not just one side. It still boggles my mind when people seem to think that one side is far worse than the other, like you could judge people's personality based on the side they main.
Personally I have been lucky though it seems. With how many toxicity problems I see being brought up on these forums, I can't say I share the same experience. Of course I run into the occasional toxic player, but whether I play survivor or killer, the vast majority of people are never toxic to me.
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The killer mains with severe pride issues make me really cringe. There is this YouTuber who always makes fun of survivors, and one survivor who was frustrated with his team identified himself as "the one that ran you" when te killer asked and he want full ballistic hissy fit mode. Projecting about dead hard, and ranting, spamming the end game chat with his salt. It was really pathetic and I hate that I am associated with people such as him. No idea how someone so toxic still has a Twitch account.
Do not get me wrong, I have a bit of a pride issue myself. You try to clown me, you get face camped. But, like, I am not throwing a temper tantrum over it. I just return the favor. If anything, from what I have heard, that is what these survivors want anyways. So I am doing them a favor.
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like I said, main issue isnt faking friendliness although that is also a very mean thing to do
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Ah, thank you. I almost never get the hatch when playing survivor (unless the killer is farming and not killing anyone anyway) but that explains why I've seen survivors do it when playing killer.
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These players just need to understand that no man does it all by himself. I said young man, put your pride on the shelf and just go there... to the YMCA. I'm sure they can help you today
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Gonna be honest, That was a long read. A TDLR would have been cool, but either way yeah I agree to an extent.
I remember I was the last Survivor, I was injured & I had a head on challenge from the Tome with Jane and this doctor literally stood at the side of the locker and messaged me via PS to tell me “We can stand here all day… you’re not head-on’ing me”
I let them know I was not trying to be a douche, I just had a challenge and they were like “Idc… not falling for it.” We literally stood there for like a minute and a half messaging until I got crows, and for some reason the Killer had no idea that once crows were involved my head-on doesn’t work so I finally got out of the locker after my last message & was slugged for the entire bleed out bar for it while the Killer continuously sent me messages to rub it in my face.
I literally just wanted to complete my challenge and I would have happily gave them the kill, and even if they didn’t let me, I got out of the locker to make them feel like I wasn’t being an a-hole but still got slugged and ######### talked.
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That was a whole lot of blah, but yes both survivors and killers will feel entitled
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The fact that "Nurse is the most powerful Killer in the game" said by a lot of people also plays into it... not saying that the Killer you faced had 0 time on Nurse but still
It also is Killers trying to 4K every match to laugh and put in on here or YouTube (just going to say that)
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No, I`m not being a hypocrite, my worst sin is letting an entire team bleed out after a few minutes of teabagging at pallets and flashlight clicks.You did this because of a perceived injustice from the other side. Killers are going to see some of your builds or your style of play as a perceived injustice, and do the same to you. I think you've answered your own question here.
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I think there's a huge difference between unambiguous bad manners aka toxicity and running builds other side dislikes.
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Barely read anything
There are way more pride and toxicity in the survivor side, its mathematic
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Also this. It seems a lot of killer players unironically consider Head On stuns a hanging offence
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Yeah and when the whole team is doing that and i kill them without mercy i get called out "why dont you meme with us tryharder baby killer"
"We arent making any gens, why dont u meme"
The fun in this game is always at the expense of the other side
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you entirely missed the point, but k
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You couldn't be bothered picking your teammate up or doing the last gen?
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"Broooo we're just playing the game for fun, broooo. Abide by my definitions of fun and play along broooo, you're a sweaty loser tryhard killer for wanting to play the game normally broooo."
A farming meme game is fun and relaxing every now and again, but I don't enjoy them back to back. It's like a sweet candy; having one is very nice, but having the whole bag hurts your stomach.
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On the subject of the post, yeah, some killers are way too prideful. They can't admit that chasing one guy around one dropped pallet is game throwing. Instead it's "gen rushing loopers smh my head." Coming from a guy that will throw a game chasing one guy at a dropped pallet for science. I don't take it personal if someone holds W and dead hards for distance, but I do find it tilting.
That being said, I will blame the map if I lose a lot of the time. If you are vs'ing competent survivors on a strong map, you'll struggle even with the best build you can bring on your best killer. Not that there's nothing you can do, you just have to adapt and turn up the sweat. People are willing to excuse camping and tunneling if you're nice in end game chat.
Some survivors are also too prideful. They can't admit that failure to get a timely unhook gives me an easy chance to camp to second stage, or that body blocking with BT means I get a free hook on the body blocker. Instead it's "tunneling camping killer, camp harder lol." Those same survivors get VERY salty when you slug them to dodge DS.
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I was playing sweaty all day yesterday, and towards the last few games I was looking to have more chill games. The last game I had two dead on hook, and figured I'd let the other two go. I point at them to open the gate and walk away and just start smacking a tree. This dude comes up to me, clicking me with his flashlight and t-bagging, while wasting my time trying to get me to chase him through the gate.
My point is, that, well I don't have a point. People act crappy. I'm sure many survivors considered my playstyle toxic yesterday, but I got mine. That last survivor I played got his. The nurse you played got theirs, and I'm sure you have gotten yours before in this game. We all get ours sometimes. Everyone has games that are awesome, and some that suck.
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Back when the forum used to have a killer and survivor section, 75% of the comments were in the killer section. It's pretty wild considering only 20% of the people playing right now are killers. They're the squeakiest wheel, so of course they won't be on here criticizing themselves.
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Went directly over their head.
-sigh-
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i have a personal rulebook for my matches:
1 if you bodyblock with bt despite i'm trying to chase the unhooker i'll be your worst nightmare (if you use only to get away from me without getting advantages you won't have problems with me)
2 if you abuse certain mechanics (like forcing ds in lockers) i'll be your worst nightmare
3 if you use dead hard i'll be your worst nightmare (you'll have a personal place in hell for this)
4 if you choose the map, i'll be your worst nightmare (most of the maps are too much safe anyway, but if you remove the few rng left in order to gain an advantage and prepare your perks based on that map, you'll get what you asked: a boring/unfun match)
5 if you point at me or start tbagging, i'll be your worst nightmare (i don't forgive toxicity like devs did... this is valid for both in game actions and the endchat)
6 if you abuse certain loops that cannot being mindgamed and are infinites, i'll be your worst nightmare (one thing is being a good looper who kept you busy with relatively safe and unsafe pallets, another one is to abuse the map rng to being uncatchable)
7 if you complete a generators under my nose despite i'm start a chase with you, i'll be your worst nightmare (since you don't fear me, i'll teach you some things...)
8 if you are using broken stuff (such as instaheals or bnp), i'll be your worst nightmare (genspeed is already too much fast and healing is already boosted due to the boon totems)
9 if you are a (sweaty) swf, i'll be your worst nightmare (or at least i'll try to be more annoying as possible)
10 if you keep trying to use your flashlight for a save even when you are already injured, i'll be your worst nightmare (to quote a famous phrase: "Do not come between the Nazgûl and his prey")
i think that's all
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