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Nurse in solo is unbearable
"Get good", use DH, break line of sight, play stealthy and whatever you might suggest, I've tried, many many times. But honestly, after almost 5k hours in this game, I gave up facing this killer on solo queues.
Literally every match has been range addons + slug fest + slowdown. Should a killer really be that strong against SOLO players? What's the point of learning how to loop tiles if she completely ignores them? Holding W, well good luck with that against Kavanagh's last breath. So I just kill myself on hook or DC, cause they won't hook until get 4 men slugged and I refuse to spend the entire game bleeding out.
I feel sorry about my teammates, but until Nurse get some changes this is how it's gonna be, cause I gave up on facing her.
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Well, I can introduce to you an argument: Should a killer really be that weak against SWF? (not Nurse ofc)
Problem is not really a Nurse, but rather difference between SWF and SoloQ experience. It's impossible to balance for both atm.
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Dc or suicide?
Yeah that's why i hate to face with her. Because always someone dc's or suicides against her. And game is turning hell mod for survivors.
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That seems like an issue is with survivors who DC.
Well, it's overall issue that you are basically screwed if you get early DC in your team.
Maybe one day we will get AI replacement, they don't need to be good, just meat shield for other players.
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I think I made pretty clear that when it comes to only solo matches she's just uncounterable, specially with bespoke build. My point here is that when you play against her is not Dead by Daylight, but a "Nurse's game", cause she can completely ignore basic mechanics of the game.
And for your argument, that fits another discussion. Trust me, I know how miserable it's to face a decent 4 men squad.
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So you came here to admit you have poor sportsmanship and no sense of obligation to your teammates.
SOLO queue is definitely the place for you.
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That's not just Nurse thing. I can get effect like that on other killers where you basically need competitive level SWF.
But I can create same with survivors (SWF) -> soloQ is just #########.
Nuclear options were always an issue, so again it's not just Nurse thing.
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Well when it comes to playing against her, yes. I have to play solo because killer queue times in my region are terrible, but don't get me wrong, I'll sacrifice myself so my teammates can escape. My only issue is this particular killer, that's all.
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Sorry, but I don't think other killers have that same effect. Even a great Blight or Spirit can't easily get 4 survivors slugged like she can.
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Well, Blight doesn't need to slug to get 4k. He will get worse without hugtech tho, more map dependant.
It's true that Nurse (good enough) doesn't care about map that much. Most killers even with best perks / addons still need a decent map at least.
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Need to push back against this: You can watch Nurse streamers (All the way up to Supaalf) who regularly display shock at their blinks getting swallowed up for no good reason. Map absolutely matters to Nurse:
- RPD
- Leary's
- Ormond (Size)
- Mothers Dwelling (Size + Infinite Tree LOS)
- ANY MAP WITH CORN
The list goes on, and Nurses definitely have to think about how they play depending on the map. Again, all the way up to the higher echelons of play.
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I would say it's matchmaking and Solo Queue problem, not Nurse problem.
Also go play SWF and don't damage other players.
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Did you even read the OP? I play SWF and I know how different it is from the solo experience. Yes, MMR is horrible at the moment, but from my experience, even with 3 decent solo survivors won't stand a chance against a good Nurse with strong add-ons + slowdown.
Why should I or my teammates struggle in a match already lost? If the killer wants an easy win I'll just help them and move on to a match more worthy of my time and patience.
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You have to play a Nurse's game to beat a good Nurse. I play solo the majority of the time and usually get at least 2 out against Nurses. Yeah, sometimes you get teammates that don't know how to play against Nurse and they get bodied. It happens. She's not OP when survivors know how to run her.
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Do you think it matters to her same / more compare to other killers?
I would say less...
Blight might be there, but not without hug tech.
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Different things matter more. I'm less concerned by the tilesets and more concerned by absolutely brutal corn, missized rocks cutting my blinks from 20 meters to 5 meters, clipping like on learys and Midwhich where exit gates are unapproachable from certain angles.
All of these things have cost me kills and games and I do not think quantifying the impact is important. I do think it's important not to dismiss the impact, nurse absolutely cares about the map she gets.
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I agree that corn is hell, but that's true for most killers except m1 I guess.
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4 decent solo survivors don't stand a chance against a good Nurse period. Forget addons. She's broken.
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Says the biased survivor main. I'll be happy to run a nurse in solo.
And I can barely loop traditional killers.
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Completely wrong. You’re mad because she isn’t a free win like the rest of the cast.
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The only problematic map you mentioned is rpd. And that's for literally every killer and survivor. Not even lery's is that bad for nurse
She's a free win for the killer as soon as she stacks 3 slowdowns and uses decent addons. Same problem, opposite side
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Also not true. Competent groups still hold an advantage over her. The difference is that she can achieve 2k while other killers play for 0-1.
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Every killer is strong against solo players, the Nurse just makes that match over much more quickly. Basing your entire argument against one killer around the strength of a killer against solo players is idiotic, and you'd be better off suggesting buffs for solo players as a whole.
I don't know how good you are, but I've seen plenty of really, really good survivor streamers win against countless Nurse's. I know a lot of people with thousands of hours in Overwatch and they're still pretty terrible at the game
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Nurse is balanced around an insanely high learning curve and skill ceilling. If a Nurse is good enough to consistently get 3-4Ks on their matches, they absolutely deserve it. Her blink lasts for as long as she's charging, which means that if she charges it completely and you run to her face, she'll most likely have to deal with a blink that lasts an eternity and takes her nowhere. Efficient splitting and timing your actions just after her first blink are key against her. Nurse as she is hinders a lot of the game balanced, and on an ultimatum between deleting her or saying ######### it to balancing killer perks with her in mind, i'd 100% rather see her deleted. But no, SoloQ isn't what makes Nurse problematic, any killer being played at it's very best is problematic at SoloQ. And consistently defeatable on SwF.
But well, if SoloQ is really an issue, BHVR could try to make separate queues for Solos and Teams, only to see it utterly fail because only killers who want to sweat a whole bottle per match would ever queue against teams.
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Heres the thing I faced plenty of Nurses and I play solo all the time ATM I have about a 45-50% escape rate vs nurses. My escapes depend on if it's a baby nurse or a god tier nurse. It's possible to escape even God tier Nurses if you don't relay on the same strats used on every other Killer. Remember she can't SEE through walls so use that to your advantage because she will have to guess where to blink to.
Also play as her because then you'll find that there are some objects she CANT blink through and multi floor maps actually hurt nurse especially if they run range add-ons and don't run the plad addon because one misplaced blink will cause her to go up or down a floor instead.
And the last most important thing to remember is .... Don't be predictable. Be random in chases to confuse the player as much as you can because that's still a human with human reflexes behind that nurse
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Nurse mains in here desperately trying to keep nurse OP to keep getting easy wins.
The reason I don't play SWF, and the reason I almost never play nurse is they are both busted. Where is the fun in playing a game where you have a huge advantage? Just play a single player game if you want to win despite putting in much less effort than the other team/player.
When I play nurse I don't even use her purple range addon (don't know the name of it in english) because it feels like cheating.
I have to wonder if nurse mains care about how unfair the solo queue vs nurse matchup is, especially when 95 percent of nurses play as if every game is against a full, sweaty SWF.
Yeah, everyone knows SWF is broken when it is 3-4 players in a group. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Just like anyone who says nurse isn't broken is wrong.
This game should strive to be more balanced, not satisfy the power fantasy that so many players seem to want.
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She is fine base kit but somewhat broken when you use range and recharge together. once she is on you, you don't have time to do anything. This is speaking from experience since all i have been doing is playing basekit nurse for 2 weeks, and when i do use her addons, the game is over at 5 or 4 gens.
A guy with a 200+ win streak during mmr times is not exactly helping anyone's argument that "nurse is fine" for people quoting superalf.
It just bugs me that people are trying to get a nerf in by saying ranged addons are bugged when they re not.
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We just refuse to balance around solo queue, as we know it's abysmal, just like 75% of the killer roster. We're not going to move the goal posts on these threads just because YOU want to. You're welcome to not play as an SWF.
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Have you watched his streak? He gets players that don't know how to play Nurse and he gets players that do. The latter are significantly rarer and you can see the fits they give him every time they come around.
Edit: The guy also have several THOUSAND hours on just Nurse, he probably has almost every object width, every weird angle, every nuanced trick memorized.
His 200 streak isn't concerning, it's indicative of his massive commitment to the character.
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No. The 200 win streak is indicative of how busted she is in a game catered towards survivors. He makes multiple mistakes but is able to claw back a bad game just because of the addons. I would love to see him get a 200+ win streak without the use of addons.
It takes a fully coordinated comp team who is also stream sniping to make him sweat. and he still beat them!
There is no argument that with range and recharge she is broken. Without the addons she is still difficult, but at least beatable.
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I completely understand survivors that do this in solo queue. When a Nurse gets a reasonably quick down with Resonance + DMS and pressures the gens from then on out your odds of winning are very very low because the oppressive combo will be repeated again and again leaving you little time to do gens + unhook your teammates. And because it's solo queue you don't know whether or not to let go of the DMS affected gen, is your other teammate on the way already?
It doesn't help that matchmaking pairs you with inexperienced teammates that might not even let go of a gen to avoid the Resonance + DMS combo. It's an awful experience and that's just 2 perks. Add Ruin and Undying or Starstruck and Agitation or Sloppy and Infectious Fright or POP + Jolt. Disgusting!
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Since we're delving into subjective bias territory, I'll counter your no with...no. You're just wrong. There's a reason they recoded her and didn't change her fundamental gameplay or add-ons.
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How am i biased? im a killer main and mostly complain about how busted survivors are. The biased ones are the people defending her.
It sucks and i know why people want the devs to leave her alone. The other killers just plain suck with the current way the game is balanced. But it doesn't mean that her addons are fine because people get wrecked in their first 10 games and then give up.
Just look at my post history.
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That's exactly the point I'm talking about. It's never a Nurse with meme or non meta build but these sweaty and boring build. I don't really expect a fun game against any killer but at least when it's not her I try to have some fun and be productive.
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It's not a solo problem or an issue of the killer's design.
Players that really struggle against nurse should invest some time playing her. No I'm not talking about survivor mains that quick switch over to their almost bottom mmr killers. Put the effort in until you reach those survivors that make nurse feel hard pressed to continually apply pressure.
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nurse is THEE worst killer and i dont care what anyone says she is awful to go against i will refuse to play against one.
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Player with 6000 hours on a single killer is on a streak, killer must be busted? You don't understand how that's subjective? If the people at his skill level (Comp level teams) were playing him EVERY GAME, he might never get out of single digits. It has been pointed out so many times that at high level - escapes and kills of particular players become exacerbated by MMR failing to find competitive matchups. That's not a Nurse problem. It's one person who invested a massive amount of hours in the highest skill-cap vessel in the game. There's at least one survivor winstreak over 300, documented. I don't even want to bring that up because NEITHER are indicative of the health of survivors or Nurse.
I don't care about your post history - what you are saying in this thread is wrong.
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Her design is broken by default. It simply doesn't make sense a killer that can ignore chase mechanics. I main Huntress and even tho she can apply pressure to multiple survivors, she's still loopable and balanced vs solo and swf players.
I understand players who put a lot of time and effort on her should be rewarded. But imo it takes too much to even try to counter her and honestly I wish she'd get Spirit treatment. Still strong and rewarding but balanced.
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News alert - All the killers have different chase mechanics. You just don't like hers because there's less carryover from your experience with other killers. Go into customs with a Nurse player, who plays survivor while you play killer. You will learn - real fast.
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What if you play her daily and still think the addons are a problem?
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So you are telling me that every killer can ignore structures and looping orientation just for the sake of it? That every killer can apply exposed and quickly snowball? That every killer has huge mobility like her?
I've played her a lot of times and it's ridiculous the difference between playing against solo players and coordinated teams. Facing a Nurse is pure luck: if she's a baby she'll get destroyed but if she's decent/good with a busted build she'll simply destroy solo players.
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I don't know why the first reaction everyone who dislikes Nurse makes is "She ignores structures". She doesn't ignore structures.
She gets screwed by them. All. The. Time. Play her more.
Every killer can apply exposed, it's not unique to Nurse at all. It isn't even Nurse basekit.
Not every killer can quickly snowball, half the roster is useless and this is a piss-poor comparison. Nurse shouldn't be punished because other killers need a buff. Those killers should be buffed.
Several killers have better mobility than her. Try basekitting across Ormond and Mother's Dwelling, then trying walking/using the powers of the rest of the roster.
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She does ignore structures. As a survivor your resources against killers are windows, pallets, teammates taking hits (not taking into account perks and medkit add-ons). Against her every pallet is useless, vaulting windows can backfire if she reads it and bringing her to teammates will give her a lot of pressure.
Don't take me for a new player, I've tried a lot of ways to counter her, but a good Nurse, with strong add-ons can adapt her play style and offer minimum (if not zero) time to react.
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Then why use him as an example?
Not much point continuing this argument as there is no evidence that will ever change your mind. I mean, you do have a nurse for your profile pick.
All we can hope for is that they find a way to make the other killers actually viable and then deal with nurse afterwards.
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Plus you're not getting the point "Nurse with strong add-ons (range + recharge)". This discussion is about how strong she is with busted add-ons and perks in solo queues.
Saying other killers have more mobility than her must be a joke.
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I agree. They need to make her blink attacks count as m2/special attacks so at least stuff like Infectious and Starstruck won't work with her so easy anymore. Also her range and recharge addons need to go.
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https://youtu.be/NpECkjf-Ejo?t=175 - Here, pallets working on one of the best Nurses several times in a single game. Stop spreading this lie. They also work for me against Nurses. They also work against me AS Nurse. I am sure I could find you more evidence but I really shouldn't have to.
There are several killers with more or comparable mobility to Nurse. I don't know how to help you if you refuse to do the test I suggested.
You talk about her Add-ons as if they always exist, so why in your first response you discount Survivor items when mentioning their resources? These are weak comparisons.
I used him as an example because it was appropriate? That doesn't mean I forgot how MMR works, dude.
Several ways to change my mind - statistics, BHVR changing their mind and nerfing her, to name the first two. There's a reason they recoded her and she's still the same Killer. For once, they get it. But yes, feel free to discontinue this conversation it is damned exhausting.
Edit: Yes, she's in my avatar. I also don't complain about Dead Hard. I also don't complain about BM'ing, I also don't complain about 99% of the things other killers complain about on this forum. I have NO CLUE why you harp on yours and my forum creds.
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Nurse is unbearable period.
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I've watched the video and they used pallets twice in the whole match. So you really wanna compare that to using pallets against other killers?
Plus they were all using meta perks and being coordinated when the killer started applying pressure.
Oh boy if only the Nurses I face used just one slow down perk, kudos to the streamer for that, but unfortunately that's not so usual.
I discounted other survivor resources because I'm still talking about solo players, which in my case rarely bring styptic on their medkits, if they ever bring an item. My point is: considering Nurse's basekit and survivor basic resources to survive in a chase, she can easily deny those unlike the rest of killer roster.
How can you not see she's beyond the curve when since her release she never left the 1st place in killer tier lists? Which in my opinion should be a specific tier just for her.
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- So you agree then, not every pallet is useless?
- Yes. Survivors using resources more efficiently did significantly better against a Nurse using all their resources incredibly efficiently, as opposed to solo queue potatoes flopping around. This is working as intended. I never disagreed that SoloQueue is awful - that does not justify nerfing Nurse. Every single survivor has the ability to go online, interact with the community, and find some friends if they really want to play DBD at the higher echelons. When they refuse to do that they are implicitly accepting the downsides of SoloQueue up until BHVR decides to buff SoloQueue
- More and more I hope you realize the problem isn't Nurse, it's SoloQueue, as evidenced by you discounting items, add-ons, and perks for Survivor but complaining about the ranged addons for Nurse
- Someone has to be at the top of the curve, dude. I will gladly accept BHVR buffing any killer up to or past Nurse. You are seeing more Nurses not because there are more Nurses. It's because there's no anything else. I haven't seen Clown, Pig, GF, or several other killers in WEEKS
- Edit: They uses pallets effectively significantly more than twice that match. You either didn't watch it or you feel the need to lie to my face.
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- No I don't agree with that. A decent survivor sees a Blight and there's a pallet gym nearby, they'll loop around the pallet and use it. That extends to other killers, except for Nurse. No one sane would try to do that against a Nurse. So pallets against her are useless, because even if used she doesn't need to waste time breaking them.
- If you're talking about the video, the only resources they've used "efficiently" were their perks, more precisely Dead Hard. Your suggestion to "finding people online" is lazy. You may not know but DbD wasn't intended nor designed to be played in SWF. Plus not every SWF team is gonna be competitive.
- She's not at the top of the curve, she breaks it. Blight and Spirit are better examples of killers at the top of the curve, cause they have great mobility, a rich and diverse set of add-ons (some a little busted but bearable) and they're still balanced, because survivors don't need to ignore pallets and windows (basic resources) against them, just adapt to when use them or not.
- I don't need to lie, I might've missed the correct number but it's pretty clear they haven't used the usual amount of resources as they would against any other killer. Sorry but you're the one trying to justify against something that's obvious to majority of the community: basic resources aren't viable and efficient against Nurse.
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