Full perfectly played premade vs perfectly played killer

At that point it depends on who brings what. Perks, items, addons, offerings. Also the map.

Premade majority of the time

Depends on map and what killer.

The premade will most likely win, unless it's Blight or Nurse, but only if the killer doesn't play as dirty as possible. Camping, and in particular tunneling, can definitely give the killer a fighting chance. It's a shame such unfun, and less skillful strategies, are some of the strongest strategies in many situations.

Why is this even a thing? 😒

Premade but by far

Marth proved without a doubt that an organized swf will destroy a killer, the depip squad yt videos made this clear long ago. they had gens done and out in 4 mins, even good killers will struggle with how they do it.

SWF with comms beats the killer and the killer beats solo.

Been like this for ages.

Killer should be renamed annoyance.

It has been addressed to a degree. BHVR has been pretty transparent in how they want the game balanced, and it's for the 2k/2e AVERAGE, and this includes solos with SWF lobbies.

Your 5 minute matches are not the average. It happens, sure-- that's DBD for you --but it doesn't happen 5 out of 10 games unless you let it happen.

In a perfectly mirrored matchup the Survivors will win every time.

The only way a Killer can compete in this game is by A: bringing much stronger things than the Survivors, B: the Survivors being generally lesser skilled players or C: the Survivors throwing the game.

A mirrored matchup instantly eliminates A and B and for the sake of the argument we have to assume that C won't occur and both sides play perfectly, meaning the Killer is utterly outclassed.

It's not the case at all. Matches like these are as close to an example as we can get. When it's top tier vs top tier, execution/game sense/RNG is often the determining factor for either side. Pay attention to the decision making on both sides for both games in this one. The macro gameplay is the difference in high level DbD when mechanical skill is more or less even.

Unfortunately because the devs balance the game from the bottom up instead of the top down like most games. That's why the game has trouble holding onto older players that play killer because they get to high mmr and realize how much how much of a dumpster fire it is and quit or switch to only survivor. At high MMR losing matches when you didn't even make any mistakes gets old fast.

What they gonna do to balance? Quit SWF ? They wont kill his game also for them killers are balanced becuz they look overall kills instead of survival rate in medium high mmr and games where surv doesnt do risky moves.

ok, so we look at comp matches.... what do we constantly see: the killers can barely get two hooks in those comp matches.

Oracle vs True/Dowsey are just one more mainstream example of good killers destroyed by comp teams now I know True used Wraith, but its still that they can barely get any hooks.

edit: and yes they have crazy rules like only 1 DS per team etc that also shows stacking DS, BT isnt even allowed in comp often because its sooo stronk but in pub matches, you get bingo deadhard/bt/ds constantly at night.

The kicker in comp games is that the survivors are neutered because they can't bring the same perk more than once except for Borrowed Time. Even with this handicap, survivors usually 3 escape or 2 escape and that's after insane tunneling by the killer. 4k's do happen but they are exceedingly rare and are usually because the survivors misplayed or got exceptionally unlucky with rng. The scoring system even encourages the killer to not tunnel and they still do it because of the simple fact 3 survivors doing things is less then 4. Less of an issue in comp since unlike solo dbd a team wins or loses together but for solo players on their own? You get tunneled = you lose even if the team wins.

Also watching some of those games... you do that stuff in public games? Big oooof...

Killers do very well in comp. I'm not sure where this notion comes from. Tru3 and Dowsey aren't comp level killers to begin with, and they were playing their first comp matches against the best team in comp at the time. Of course they got beat badly. See the video I linked above of a random recent comp match between two of the better teams out there. The Demo players did well.

It's not a perfect comparison, but pub teams aren't half as coordinated as comp teams and pub killers have half the game sense. It's all we really have to go off of for these types of discussions. SBMM certainly doesn't pit top players against top players with any consistency.

Dowsey was a comp player and decided to stream more instead of continuing to compete,but hey if you think he isn't good enough for any measurement of killer skill vs a comp team, to each his own, that's fine.

Unlike some of you, I was not using one example as absolute proof, but alas, I have no desire to argue something this trivial.

No doubt. Just clarifying the prevailing notion that killers are at a massive disadvantage at that level. Both sides have some busted stuff to work with if they want.