Why Do People Still Think SBMM (MMR) Is Worse Than RBMM (Ranks) ?

I've only played under SBMM so I can't comment on how older systems did. The current emblem/pipping system produces a numerical score for each game (even if we only see a bar progressing towards pips).

My gut reaction is to use that score instead of kills/escapes but that system is flawed as well. It's graded on how they want you to play and not what is the most efficient way to play. The quickest, most efficient matches where one side just blows the other out of the water actually score fairly low on that system.

There has to be some sort of middle ground. Maybe something that takes Time-to-Win into account and/or maybe trimming some fat off of some of the things the emblems gives points for.

Another thing that I'd love for them to weigh into match making is the level for the individual killer or survivor you are using and what perks/addons/items you have available to them at that time.

I think in the end a better system is going to need to be more complex than anything they have right now.

My guess is that a lot of people aren't measuring their matchmaking experience when they're talking about how much MMR sucks, they're measuring their play experience.

I've seen a lot of people say the MMR system doesn't work, and then cite things like "sweaty players" or "meta perks" or "tryhards", which are all indications that the system is working. But, since the meta isn't particularly fun right now, going against players who know what it is and intend to use it more consistently can definitely be quite annoying; while the old system categorically didn't work, there's a selfish urge to say "well i had easy/relaxed games sometimes" and ignore that getting those games is why the old system didn't work. It's the thing that they needed to fix, not a side effect of good or bad matchmaking.

There's also the misunderstanding of how MMR systems work leading to the "it doesn't accurately measure skill" take reinforcing this, even though it's wrong. Other factors definitely intensify it, but I think the core is that people aren't evaluating matchmaking, they're evaluating the games they're playing on pure fun factor.

Regardless of whether it was balanced, it was more fun to have a variance of matches. With SBMM it just becomes the longer you play, the less enjoyable each match becomes. For a game with retention issues that should be a concern. Trying to make the game more competitive doesn't make it better in the long run.

In the old days everyone got a fair spread of sweaty competitors and relaxed matches, now the game just lures in new players with a handful of easy matches before dropping them into meta hell permanently.

If there's no variety it's because the majority of the killer roster sucks.

MMR is flawed and even if it wasn’t it creates a situation where everyone brings the strongest stuff all the time instead of trying to keep it fresh, which makes matches incredibly frustrating but boring at the same time.

I know otz is a good killer but I don't think using him as a measure for sbmm is good.

The current MMR isn't perfect by any means. Its biggest flaw is prioritizing queue times over MMR during peak periods for one role or the other (instant killer queues in the evenings/nights and a shortage of those players means all bets are off in the quality of your competition). The inability of it to measure anything beyond the kill/escape metric is a disappointment, considering how much time went into developing this system.

That said, I played a lot under the old system, made it to Rank 1 as both a killer and survivor there -- and frankly, the system now doesn't differ all that much from the old one in the terms of what kind of matches I get. I'd say I face tougher killers as survivor, and tougher survivor teams as killer, but that would be expected, as I do well at both roles, and I shouldn't be getting literally new players (which happened more often under the old system, and currently happens now when the queue times are skewed).

I simply don't understand the people who talk about how "chill" everything was before the current system went into place -- because as someone who was playing a ton before the current SBMM, it just wasn't that way. I saw a ton of hardcore SWF's as killer, or 5-gen slaughter Nurse players as survivor then as well (and that was when I was far worse at both roles than I am now).

If you're memeing and playing "chill" (and queue times aren't the only factor in your matchmaking, which if they are, you WILL get much more randomness in who you play against), you're going to eventually end up against other players at that same level of competitiveness, especially if people bringing the "meta" are beating you on a regular basis.

People didn't all of a sudden decide "I want to bring the most powerful build/items/add-ons" when SBMM was implemented. The people who were playing all-out to win were doing that anyway before, and under the old system, they were getting matched up against players far below their skill level often, and likely a lot more than they do now. Thinking SBMM turned "casual" players into "sweaty" players is nostalgic thinking, but it's flawed.

Same problem existed before but in waves. Every rank reset the most competitive would get to upper ranks soon after. For a week or so that would be todays "high mmr". After some time casuals would make there way up and dilute the upper ranks.

Thats why you had YTers and Twitches saying sweat squads are rare outside tourneys. (Same ones that complain about MMR now.)

Players would rush to rank 1 near the end if the season and go back to casually playing on the 13th.

But now that MMR does not reset, you find those that avoided the 13th rush to the top have found themselves to be in that situation every match.

I don't think it can work because I don't think BHVR can design a system that complex.

because rbmm made games objectively easier due to massive skill gaps in red ranks.

SBMM might be flawed but it prevents players who play the game on occasions (like me) from stomping new players because they keep getting reseted to the lowest rank (or would get bully squad who where clearly targeting newer players)

it reduce the current issue of the killer vs survivor population where there is so few killers at high ranks that red ranks survivors get matched against weaker survivor ( shoutout to the 4swf red rank 1 team I faced at ######### rank 18)

You do know that he lost streaks even back during GBMM right?

I just don't understand how you can watch something like this and claim that the SBMM is working

Where he 3ks with an always tentacle up Nemesis and a crouch only Ghostface because 9 out of 10 lobbies that he gets thrown into is stuffed to the brim with baby survivors that don't even look behind their back.

Or this where Hens and pals are going up against the newest of killers despite the fact that they are both good and on coms.

SBMM is literally garbage and pairs up the best killers with the worst survivors and vice versa. I understand that RBMM did this too, but how can you look at any recent footage and claim that the system works is just beyond me.

Because it's worse? At least for me, and probably for everyone complaining about it.

As survivor I could sit in Purple ranks and have pretty good matches. No need to sweat and the games were overall fun. My teammates were usually okay. Usually around my skill level a bit higher or lower.

As killer I usually got survivors that were decent. Not amazing. Not trash tier. It was a case where the games were usually enjoyable.

Under MMR this has not been the case. It's why I barely play anymore. As killer I get teams I have no business facing. As survivor I usually get teammates that have no idea what to do. They can't hit skill checks, let along seem able to finish a gen. Add to this nearly every killer proxy camps and hard tunnels at least the first person out and it's an exercise in misery.

I think the big problem is under the old system there was still a reason to see M1 killers, because you can still have fun with them.

But now even the lowest MMR Survivor is running either DH, BT, or DS. Making it harder for M1s to be enjoyable.

But who know who doesn’t care about your MMR ranking? Pyramid Head and the other high tiered killers. So your virility is killed because of the lack of utility from other killers.

the Rank System sucked a lot for Killers, but imagine it if every match was a super beefed S+ Tiered killer. Survivors would leave in droves, especially with the current meta killers.

cant they just make mmr visible though? it's seriously annoying how it's invisible.