Question about Scourge Hook: Monstrous Shrine?
So in the dev update it specifies that Monstrous Shrine will turn the basement hooks into scourge hooks. However would the normal 4 scourge hooks still spawn around the map? Or would they literally just be the basement hooks? Also, in the event it's the basement hooks only, would bringing another Scourge Hook make regular hooks scourge hooks or would they also be locked to the basement?
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This is actually a really good question.
Scourge Hook: Monstrous Shrine
Long have we waited. Monstrous Shrine has received a rework. This perk will now convert all basement hooks to Scourge Hooks. Additionally, Scourge Hooks will now grant 10/15/20% faster Entity progression – but only if the Killer is not within 24 meters.
It seems like it would be only the basement hooks. My guess (pulling out of my ahem) is that you will have to bring another scourge hook perk, but I could be wrong.
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It seems like Monstrous Shrine make basement hooks become scourge hooks while the other scourge hook perks convert 4 random hooks that aren't in the basement into scourge hooks. If you run Monstrous Shrine and another scourge hook you would have 8 scourge hooks. 4 in the basement and 4 outside the basement.
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That’s my reading of it. The faster timer progression might be ok too (stages will take 12 seconds less.)
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I guess you trade consistancy for flexibility? Its a tough line to walk, but with Iron Grasp and Agitation you can pretty much drag them from more then half the map to your cosy lil pleasure palace. And then leave, because you want faster Entity Progress. Could be coupled with Devour Hope, maybe? If Hex perks weren't in such a bad spot right now >_<
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It is extra pressure on survivors to get off gens to go for the save. Which can be impactful. And since survivors aren't used to hook states being less than 60 seconds, you'll likely get some free hook states using the perk as well.
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This is also my take on it, otherwise it would actually be a potential detriment to run it as you're isolating all your Scourge perks in one part of the map rather than spread out, and I imagine their intent is for you to run it alongside other Scourge perks.
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This is how I read it too and all Scourge Hooks will have the Monstrous Shrine Entity progression
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If other scourge hooks don't effect the basement hooks then I will be very disappointed.
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oh wow i didnt think of that. i thought it would just turn all basement hooks into scourge hooks, and if i were to also use pain resonance, then the basement hooks would also remove 15% of the most completed gen. but if that were the case, then i guess it would also go the other way around as well, right? since all scourge hooks stack, that means the 4 scourge hooks spawned on the map by the current perks would also gain monstrous shrine?
or does this mean that if we run pain res + shrine that there wouldnt be 8 total hooks, there would only be 4 and they would all be in the basement?
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I am hoping it means 8 total hooks with 4 in the basement and all share the same effect. If not Monstrous Shrine will continue to never be used.
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We'll have to see how the perk is worded on ptb
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Its fairly obvious that you should separate out the perks. Shrine will convert basement hooks into scourge hooks. Other scourge perks will convert 4 random map hooks into scourge hooks. So running shrine + scourge perk = 4 map scourge hooks plus basement scourge hooks.
And yes, shrine means hooking someone on a map scourge hook and walking way = they die quicker.
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I'm pretty sure that any scourge hook will give the benefits of all scourge hook perks you have. Currently it works that way.
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That is true, but the question is more about the amount of hooks because they specified the basement hooks for Monstrous Shrine. Like right now, if you were to bring all the Scourge Hooks, you don't have 12 scourge hooks on the map with all the effects, you have 4 hooks on the map with all the effects.
What I'm curious about is, would Monstrous Shrine also spawn 4 Scourges around the map or is it specifically basement? If it's specifically basement, then if I brought Pain Resonance alongside Monstrous Shrine, would the 4 random hooks stated in Pain Resonance still spawn or would the basement hooks count as the "random hooks"? That would greatly effect how useful Monstrous Shrine is. You wouldn't want to bring it with other scourges if all the perks would be tied to the basement because that's what Monstrous says, they wouldn't be very useful.
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Definitely something we'll just have to wait and see. In my mind, monstrous would just give you the basement hooks, you'd need to bring another scourge hook perk for the other four, but any hook flagged as a scourge hook would get the effects of all perks.
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