Survivor Isn't Dead Nor Has It Ever Been.

Fair enough, my bad.

For the record, me too.

If your problem is terror radius, there are three other perks that do that job just straight better than Spine Chill does even now, that's the thing.

Spine Chill doesn't tell you when you're in the terror radius, it tells you when the killer's looking at you. Perks that start charging when you're inside the terror radius are much more accurate towards giving you that information.

You don't need two? Stake Out, Diversion, and Distortion on their own will all tell you - much more accurately - that you're in the killer's terror radius. Why would you need two perks to get that information?

But that's getting away from the point and just back towards Spine Chill as a perk you like. If the problem is really, truly just that you want to know when you're in the terror radius, Spine Chill is worse at that job, not more reliable.

The only things it's more reliable for are the effects that it has independent of being a bandaid accessibility fix.

The hard of hearing argument is not the reason. IW never affected me because I am legally deaf. I play my zarina as survivor and dredge as killer. I know I have a disadvantage not being able to hear that is not my opponents fault how do they even know what is going on with me. Survivor has been the power role far longer than it should have been. The game has been evolving and will most likely continue to do so.

Surviors will be fine. They've been using the same perks for years and they know it works. Now with this update everyone will be encouraged to learn new playstyles and test their skills. This is a game where survivors and killers and tired of seeing the same thing over and over this patch is going to help.

I 100% would agree with the visual heartbeat from mobile being an option for people. For Spine Chill, it will be in the PTB and accessibility concerns can also be mentioned there. Personally, I think the only changes Spine Chill needed was that it didn't light up if the Killer was Undetectable and removing the vault speed (which the devs did do).

I also wrote this post because I remember in another post someone suggested VHS to you. As a forewarning, VHS has tracking entirely based on sound, no aura reading outside of a mechanic called the Rift that's hard for Teens to get and nothing similar to Spine Chill. DbD, in my opinion, is friendlier to the hearing impaired. While, if you do want to try the game you definitely should as it can be fun and is a different playstyle than DbD, I thought I should mention it in the hopes that knowing this going in would save you frustration if you do try.

So you base map sizes off of high mobility killers? So only 4 killers out of the entire killer roster. The issue is map design though. Billy is horrible on the new maps since they aren't designed for him, curving is damn-near impossible in most tilesets, awful collision and pointless vanity objects added that actively hinder their ability. Something that Blight might not have an issue with, but Billy has an issue with. So basically only applicable for 3 killers, not 4, in that regard.

Because its Nurse is not an answer. The existence of killer power, addons ect that push the killers far beyond their proper strength is the reason this game is so massively unbalanced. Survivors need a way to win without relying on 4 sweat teammates because its just not realistic without constant SWF. If the killer addons were overall nerfed then I would be more willing to agree that killers needed a massive quality of life improvement such as the one that is coming with this patch.

As your point about camping. So if we cannot fix 100% of camping its not worth trying. I really hope you never work on any video game ever.

As for gens... change for the sake of change is good? You do understand there are legitimate reasons why the game was made the way it was. You don't just change something and say "See we tired." And when people say you just made it worse, then go "well change is good." They are literally making DBD more boring for survivors. Not even harder. MORE BORRING. What happens when killers complain that 90 seconds is too short. So they up it to 100. Or 110 or 120. Even if balance wise let's 110 was perfect balance for both sides. As a survivor I will not sit on a gen 110 seconds 5 times a match, not because I might lose but because that sounds like a bad game.

Yes. If we are going to base DBD killers off of SWF and not solo Q then we need to base maps off of Nurse, not clown. Alternatively I am more then happy to base the game off of clown if it meant that killers were based off of 4 solo survivors with massively varying skill levels as this would be fair way to balance the game for both sides, but I imagine killers would struggle at the high end because most killers would need to be massively nerfed, majority of addons either completely reworked or just removed. I imagine a large portion of killers due to their reliance on the game being based off them being way more powerful then the need to be would continue to complain despite this being objectively the best way to balance the game. Killers need to pick a baseline and commit, instead of picking and choosing. It is the peak of entitlement.

The issue with things being based around SoloQ for a basis of judgement is DbD's game design is based around SWFs, a majority of perks as survivor enforce teamwork and cooperation, both of which dont really exist in SoloQ. I mean, why else do you think most meta perks have just been second chance perks? Because it ensures your survival alone, not the teams survival, and for a good reason, you cant be a team player if there is literally no way to communicate with teams. Now look at SWFs themselves, higher survival rates, they get a lot more variety in perks they can utilize to it's fullest, the game is literally built around.

Dont get me wrong, I wish this would change, I would be fine with a voice chat system, or something to display information to teammates to help them make plays. Something to give them a hand since Ive played SoloQ, I play both sides pretty evenly in fact, and it can be painful to deal with teammates that dont know what to do.

I also have literally no issue with Nurse, Blight (mainly his addons, basekit is fine imo), and Spirit (mainly her addons, basekit is fine imo) getting changes.

The issue with the new maps is that they arent designed at all with any killers in mind, they are designed to look nice and nothing else. Their map layouts and designs in of themselves is horrible for killers because of this. Let's just take a few looks at some maps to give you a better idea.

Garden of Joy is the most recent example. Main Building has an infinite loop in which you gain enough distance from each window to break chase for another window vault, the doorway around far away from the window to mindgame and get a hit, and the fall from the window is low enough to not stagger the survivor's fall... why is this in the game? Because it looks nice, that's it. What about the bushes on the outside? Hillbilly cannot physically chainsaw survivors sitting still on certain parts of the bushes because of their awful collision, why is this in the game? Because it also looks nice. See where Im going? No...

Or how about this, Eyrie of Crows. Eyrie of Crows has a bunch of pallet loops in the graveyard area, which would be fine but every single pallet is wide enough to be extremely safe to loop around, and around each loop are vines sticking out. Those vines make the area look really nice, it really fits into the map's appearance, but there is one issue, the map actively interferes with Hillbilly's power. With their collision being so bad that you can hit them without visually being near them. It makes curving physically impossible in those loops, and they are super common to come across.

Again, Im stating that the maps arent horrible designs because they are bad for M1 killers or good for survivors specifically, the maps are horrible designs because they arent designed with ANYONE in mind. BHVR focuses on the appearances of maps, that they complete undermine any form of balance. Their design focus isnt on survivors. Their design focus isnt on killer powers either. They are just checking off a list of cool visuals to add to make stuff more appealing as advertising material.

Also to "killers need to stop picking and choosing a baseline and commit instead of picking and choosing, it is entitlement" in response to what I said, my focus was just on how they dont design maps around anything, so I was just saying how the map is horrible for Billy because of it, I think you are definitely stretching with that...

But then again, I guess Im an "entitled killer main" despite me not really maining either side, but any criticism towards the game while keeping the entire game's balance in mind makes me a "main" of a certain side because people cant complain without starting a "us VS them" scenario automatically. Bring up an issue survivor related, "survivor main trash, just go back to relying on your easy game to hold your hand". Bring up valid criticism over the state of killer, "entitled killer main garbage, you just want to make the game easier for yourself and no one else". IM JUST TIRED OF THIS. WHY TO PEOPLE CONTINUE TO DO THIS STUFF IN 2022?

The fact you can't play a killer and notice the power difference between adorns and no adorns, objectively proves you are bad at the game. Or alternatively you do understand that even minor addons massively effect killer powers and are deliberately pretending that it doesn't for your point.

"Survivors have many ways to win without relying on sweaty teammates." WHAT GAME OF DBD ARE YOU PLAYING AND HOW DO I GET IT? You need to post the file you're using because you would make millions with this imaginary version of dbd you have created. Constant survivors and killers with top addons and perks all the time and if you say you aren't encountering it. Then either you MMR is so low that you are legitimately playing a different game. Or you are saying that you are encountering it but it dons' affect you.. guess you too good. If so you and every other imaginary DBD player who is just so good that they constant win their solo Q team matches with little too no effort need to start you twitch streams. Because you will put, the best of the best too shame.

Here is the biggest issue

1. yes you can fix camping. By making massive game altering changes. But they don't want to risk anything that might actually change it it up, became that may upset the killer community... for some reason??? So instead they do these completely minor changes that fix nothing and has been a problem since 2016 and has not been addressed in 6 years. And the big change they add for survivors, the thing to get you excited for survivor is... 5 seconds of BT... Not even enough time to get you to a pallet on most maps (not even acknowledging basement). This will not change camping at all as half the killers that removing from the hook (You know any killer who can insta down) or fix the real issue, that we could already get them off without BT, the problem is you are just hooked in their place.
2. THEY BUFFED IT. They buffed camping, and I have no words that can explain the legitimate brain power it must have taken for the devs to think it was a good idea to do this. They gave killers 10 seconds per generator. Not much if you are playing the game properly. But when camping, with 120 seconds... yeah.. that's massive. Then, throw on 2 stacks of STBS basekit. I guess there were a couple of times where survivors were able to unhook their teammate and use the BT teammate to take the it so they can both escape... had to stop that... reasons. Then they nerfed D strike. 3 seconds won't get you out of range of certain killers. Killers who choose to just eat the d strike because they plan on camping form the start just got buffed. Camping with deadlock/ corupt are barely affected. This isn't even an attempt to fix camping. If you think otherwise then you have to be crazy. Its such a clear afterthought that like they went "Ok so we just buffed every single killer in the game... and nerfed some of the strongest survivor perks in the game. That should stop the killers leaving... oh right half our player base is survivors. Throw on 5 seconds of BT and tell them to shut up." Its not even an attempt.

If you are stating that that even the most killer sided maps are based off of appearance, rather the strength of survivor or killer then this overall change to the game which is based entirely off of killer win rates is completely unjustified. All they have done is widened the gap between killers at the top, killers at the bottom and solo Q while at the same making sure camping is the most viable strategy for killers.

As I have stated this many times, a baseline killer power would fix so much of DBD. Because power disparity of killers is what has ruined DBD. The killers at the top, and the killers with certain addons are so much stronger then majority of base killers with no addons that the game needs to balanced off their level to give survivors a chance. Unfortunately this won't happen, because they would need to bring down the strength of so many killer addons and this massive nerf that killer 100% needs would result in massive quitting. So instead they rely on perks and addons to fill the power gap. So instead of trying to do something drastic to prevent this they have just buffed all the killers in the game, which is especially true for killers at the top.

WHAT COMPALINTS? What more does killers need?

The game is already so on the side of the killer that there is nothing left to take. Its gone. All of it. "Gen speeds" Yes. Survivors have gen speeds. The only reason why gen speeds have remained at 80 seconds for long is because killers said that there is nothing wrong with camping tunnelling . Thus gen speeds have to be at 80 seconds, to give survivors a chance to escape. Now they made that harder. There is quite literally nothing left for you to take from survivors. It's all gone. So what do survivors do? They sit on gens because that's all they have. They had boons... for like 4 months. Before killers said that was unfair, now killers just need to run a perk and can counter all boons. But hey it was a neat 4 moths. The survivor experience is bad.. and this patch made it worse. Maybe you're right, and survivor win rates will not change. But honestly I care more about how a match goes, then the end result. Eventualy this game will be nothing but sweaty SWF.. and nothing else.

I will summarize the easiest way I can. I do not care what perks survivors bring. They paid for the game just like me it is completely rude to expect them not to use what they can. Same for killers they paid for the game and can play however they want. I hope this clears up your questions on my own motives in my words. Furthermore it might be more beneficial to not be so accusatory when responding. Though I respect the way of true discourse.

Jesus christ this thread is full of people that take this way too seriously.