Solo q is going to be a massacre after the changes go through

Future Thana with three stacks and 90s gens will be stronger than current Pentimento with 80s gens. If it weren't a hex, current Pentimento would be the strongest perk in the game.

??? what even.

Hows that an answer to my question.

which isn't really important, people complain about solo survivor all the time. yes, it's very weak compared to swf, it always has been.

They're not out of touch, they are fully aware. They had a whole thing in the 5th anniversary stream where they acknowledged the disadvantages that solo q have against swfs. They said nothing about it in the 6th anniversary stream because they no longer care. Solo q is the key to increasing kill rates, that's it.

Problem is if they buff soloQ too much they might overdo it and kill rates will drop very low. SoloQ is sadly the killers best place to kill people.

Then again im all for balancing the game.

story of my life... or you're hooked and see their auras and you see how they're hiding in a corner of the map, doing nothing...

No one knows the rate of SWF vs solo players.

Also I don't know where you got this solo escape rate from. Playing solo isn't a death sentence.

I really don't understand this 'Solo que is hard' mentality sprouts from.

Solo que is a stress relieving experience, especially at higher MMR.

Like trimming a bonsai tree - predictable, low-effort.

Sure, when you're in a lobby with silly-nannies that throw chases or get their teammates killed, it can prove to be a challenge - you almost want SWF just to remove the possibility of another feeder on your team. But once you actually start getting good, and get paired with similar MMR survivors - the game gets progressively easier and easier. SWF information can make a match far more simple, and opens up the opportunity to sweat for those 4e trials. But if people want to act like Killer is a breeze and solo que is hardcore... it goes against everything I've learned over the past 1,600+ hours of gameplay and countless hours watching streamers and content creators play and work in the game.

Make no mistake, the changes are going to make the game into a veritable bloodbath - but mostly because of the Dead-Hard and Self-Care changes. Noob survivors are going to use Self Care and get their team killed now... and Dead-Hard is going to stop being such a crutch perk for absolute garbo survivors that learned to press E to win the game. Survivors that have come to rely on the absolute ease and free escapes provided by DeadHard and end-game DS procs are going to cry into their sleeve for a week or so - newer players who go for self cares in corners are going to ravage low MMR lobbies.

All in all, though, survivors will find that their MMR is going to be a bit more accurate - that is unless Behavior botches the DH nerf and accidentally buffs it in the process.

To all my fellow Solo Que players who are worried that they're about to get stomped: the only thing SWF does is grant information. If you cannot preform well with limited information, you're sure as heck not going to perform well with more information. If after the DeadHard reign of terror, survivors are still complaining that the game is too difficult - it's simple ignorance of reality. When even the developers themselves are showing concern because kill rates are low - you know the battle is lost for that.

Low tier MMR lobbies are going to be abysmal, because silly noob survivors are going to absorb even more time and fumble around with even less efficiency now. However, this also means that any competent player is going to rise quickly - if silly survivors and noobs find escape extremely difficult, but good players are able to see the proverbial strings and hedge their bets, they will rise.

This change will make low MMR matches a bloodbath for a short while. But soon enough, the baby dwights and stock blendettes are going to sink to the very bottom of MMR, and those who push on through are going to have a much easier time for their trouble. This is a straining effort, but it will strain the noobs from those who know better than to spend 120+ seconds on 3 heals.

Killer is extremely stressful.

If you're looking at kill rates, you're completely missing out on the content of the matches. Having to squeeze out 55% kill rate from the clutches of Dead Hard, DS body blockers, and proficient loopers is pulling teeth in the worst ways - especially on lower tier killers like Freddy or Saduko.

Keep in mind, tunnelers and campers can often get 2k matches.

If you think Killer gameplay is either easy or simplistic - especially relative to survivor gameplay - then your lack of experience is sadly showing.

I believe the changes they are doing are aimed at pleasing the huge chunk of bad Killers who get stomped by SWFs and then feel miserable, they aim to balance their sad experience of getting dabbed by SWF by giving them lambs to freely slaughter so they can feel happy again.

Same as other games like Dota2 where the system pairs you against great players so they can massacre you and feel good but then it pairs you against bad players so you smash them and then its your turn to feel good, a never ending cycle of highs and downs.

My prediction is Solo games will look like Berserk's eclipse.

solo survivors should at least be able to see their teammates loadouts in lobbies, cause if I see one survivor running the new self care I’m dodging the hell out.

The mistake here is that you've just tried to use experience in another game to justify a position.

Not just because you are addressing the position as though you have command or insight into it, but because you are using experience through an external factor to try and assert yourself as qualified to make an absolute conclusion, which is untrue and a bit disrespectful.

One cannot just bring in experience in another game and act as though it qualifies them to denounce the experiences of other players.

It's unbecoming and demonstrative of the discussion at hand.

But what the heck, let's give this a shot.

If you want to use experience in other games to act as though you know a thing or two about Dead By Daylight, I'll play my hand at it.

After playing over 1,600 hours of Dead By Daylight as a part of my many years of gaming experience, I have a fair amount of seniority when it comes to an educated opinion - you could not be more mistaken.

I've played more 'competitive' games before, which qualifies my opinions more than mere 'fortnight'

After spending over 2,000 hours in Call Of Duty, 1,400 hours in XCOM, over 1,300 hours in Fallout games, over 1,200 hours in League Of Legends, over 520 hours in Mass Effect titles, 400 hours in Rainbow Six Siege, about 500 hours in Gears Of War, 400 hours of Halo, 250 hours in Dead Space, 240 hours in Destiny, 230 hours in Overwatch, over 200 hours studying and playing Dungeons & Dragons, 180 hours in Borderlands games, 100 hours in DOOM games, and watching over a thousand hours of Fog-Whisperer content... I have more than just a relative understanding of what makes Dead By Daylight work as a game, both casually and competitively.

I understand that you are probably playing the game at low MMR, which may explain your stance - as the killer experience at such ranks is an absolute breeze. But when you get to higher levels, SWF are not particularly any more or less difficult than normal players.

I've been playing multiplayer games for over 13 years, and there's seldom an experience that can leave you feeling as frustrated and completely powerless as playing Killer at high MMR against competent survivors - by the game's own design and admission.

Dead By Daylight is not a party game any more than League Of Legends, Call Of Duty, or Rainbow Six is a party game. And suggesting that you have a harder time playing Fortnight is not a qualifier to make such a bold opinion.

I love the game, but if you're going to try to lord Fortnight experience over me to justify some sort of misguided claim that survivor gameplay is as stressful or difficult as Killer gameplay, you are sorely mistaken.

It's one thing to disagree with someone, it's another thing to try and challenge the validity of someone's opinion based on your limited experiences in a battle royale.

Next time, either be clear about the nature of your own opinion, or use your experience in-game to justify your claims.

Remember: Not everyone is you.

It's not a moral failure to consider different things as different. At the same time, killer is stressful whereas solo survivor is like pruning a bonsai tree. Your words.

As far as MMR, I've played survivor against gtvel and killer against angrypug. They're not low MMR.

Killer being stressful has nothing to do with killer being difficult. I understand that the killer cannot be in four places at once and it becomes unmanageable against a 3- or 4-man SWF. My concern is with solo survivor. If all the proposed buffs for killer go through, though, solo survivor may as well be NPCs in a single player game. Doctor with Distressing, Coulrophobia, Sloppy, and Thanatophobia is an easy 4k against solos. Same with Thana Legions and Plagues. Nurse, Spirit, Blight, etc. This game cannot be both sweaty and simple. No one wants to play the role of NPC against a power-tripping killer main. It will create more SWFs if anything.

It is not a moral failure to consider things as different.

It is a moral failure to try to squelch someone's observations through external qualifiers, especially when such observations go against established faculties within the core aspects of the game - by the admission of both developers and professionals.

"Killer being stressful has nothing to do with killer being difficult"

The definition of stress is through the lens of difficulty. You cannot have something that is stressful but born of ease and elegance, you will not find a stress free environment that is founded in difficulty and volume. You essentially said 'stress has nothing to do with difficulty' when the two words are synonyms according to the Oxford Dictionary. This statement itself is self defeating and patently false.

"Doctor.... is an easy 4k against solos"

This is only true at low ranks. Doctor gameplay falls off abruptly approaching average MMR. Reasonably competent survivors do not have great difficulty managing pacification in loops, they do not fail reverse skill checks, and they are more than confident with the killer knowing their location. The Doctor's primary abilities include information and pacification, things that adversely effect low MMR players - but have very little effect on competent survivors who are familiar with such mechanics. To imply that Doctor is a dominant killer in the meta is telling of the kind of survivor gameplay that you've grown accustomed to - and also colors your perception of killer gameplay. If you think Doctors get easy 4ks, you're not playing the game anywhere near high MMR regardless of what you may assume. Not only is the killer choice telling, but the perk selection as well - while a fun meme build, this setup would provide very little resistance for good survivors... even at average MMR - many players are comfortable with remaining injured and run Resilience. Survivors are not intimidated by information, they are not greatly threatened by pacification, and they are not inhibited by remaining injured. If keeping survivors injured (preferably without 3 perk slots) and gathering information was all it took to get easy 4ks in this game, Legion and Plague would be unstoppable - which they, in fact, are not.

"The game cannot be both sweaty and simple"

Yes it can.

You literally just said that fortnite is a more difficult game than Dead By Daylight, and that game is remarkably more simple in the lattice of its interactions than Dead By Daylight - so by your own admission, this is untrue.

Create a Dungeons & Dragons one-shot. Before Level 3, the game is remarkably simple in concept - and has very few numbers to be concerned with, but it can be extremely difficult if designed as much; hosting a match at level 17-20 can be extremely intricate with dozens upon dozens of concurrent status effects, perks, and items being used simultaneously... but gameplay wise, it's a cakewalk for players who have a myriad of tools at their disposal to create solutions for evolving situations, making it extremely easy if designed as intended.

Dark Souls 3 is famous for its first boss encounter where the player has hardly anything other than a weapon, and the encounter is difficult.

Things can be both challenging and simple, things can be easy and complex.

"No one wants to play the role of NPC against a power-tripping killer main."

Never said they should.

Killers are not the initial power roll in the game, survivors have the power of the match and can dictate the outcome of the match by preventing the killer from seizing their innate momentum. Killers must earn their place as the power roll by stealing it from survivors, who begin with a massive advantage that killers must race against the clock to capture. If survivors are good, they will make the killer pay so dearly for each and every health state that they bleed more time than they gain. Survivors, for all intent and purpose, are the power roll at the start of the match.

Sad thing is, low MMR survivors do not know this and fall prey to their own ignorance in such circumstances - they simply do not know how powerful they are.

You don't need to take my word for it - go ahead and watch professional streamers. Better yet, listen to the developers themselves who admit that killers are not able to effectuate killing as well as they'd like.

You cannot sarcastically use the accusation that your detractors are power-hungry when the developers themselves have sided with them with reason.

'You lost me at...' is never a good way of opening up a conversation. It may come off as ignorant or arrogant where it need not be.

Self Care is an extremely valuable perk in the right hands. The power for survivors to regain health states in timely a timely and efficient manner is incredible in the right hands. But I think you misunderstand, I'm not saying it was flawless to begin with - however, making heals take over 40 seconds is going to obliterate low MMR lobbies. Those survivors that Urban Evasion to the corner of the map and Self-Care is going to result in a lot more SBMM hellscapes where folks are hard-stuck with Self-Care users on the low end.

Sorry, but not only do the experience of game veterans beg to differ, but so does the data gathered by Behavior. Dead Hard is directly and unequivocally correlated to escape rates.

That being said, saying 'this isn't particularly strong in the hands of someone incapable of using it' is a very poor stance to take. The strength of a utility is not governed by those who are incapable of wielding it. The potency of power is not determined by the inability of few to utilize its strengths appropriately. Ignorance of =/= impotence within.