The Consequences of No Second Chance Perks in Endgame

Well survivor want for killer to go for the spread out 1€ hook playstyle which inevitably leads to 3 or 4 survivor being alive during egc.

At the current time against a good team the game could simply just end because any killer without a dedicated end game build has no chance to secure a kill vs BT, DS + ub and mutliple teammates bodyblocking while nearly every last one of them also runs dh.

Depending on the matchmaking fuckup and/or the picked killer survivor can dance circles around killer thanks to all the second chances.

Survivor don't want to get tunneled and camped but without that they still have their whole arsenal of weapons ready for egc.

So you can't have it both, no camping tunneling (soon tm) and all those second chance effects. So for the devs to really do something about camping and tunneling they have to give killer a realistic chance at the end of the game where those second chances hurt the most.

Edit: And yes i know this is expecting the devs to finally really do something against camping or tunneling but they have to star somewhere and these changes can still be overcome with coordination and teamwork.

It'll be a good thing for all players if failure in the end game is just that. Without numerous chances players will be slightly more inclined to end the match immediately when the opportunity presents itself.

It's fine really most of the time their either overkill or not usable due to noed facecamp in endgame anyway. Should get ppl out the gate and on to the next quicker

no it's better for him to die on hook because if the killer get him through potential dead hard and BT, why would he get a free exit just by having ds ?

This game has far too many phases of "the survivors have zero fear of the killer."

Putting even ONE window of 20 seconds to open the exit gate, where survivors can't just Perk their way to immunity, is the absolute LEAST they could do.

If you're 99'ing gates or waiting in the exit zone to teabag, that should come with a real risk to both yourself and your team; not serve as a victory lap to rub it in on the other side.

Nobody would watch a horror movie series where the characters all survive, even the jerk character who everybody hated and went through elaborate measures just to make the audience hate them.

Isn't it when the gates are powered? Yeah, sure, that situation can happen, but it doesn't always. Now the solution is to guarantee anyone hooked after completing the generators to a death sentence? It's funny how people are against a guaranteed escape but are ok with a guaranteed kill. And then there's the situation of BT "guaranteeing" escapes, so should BT also not work after the gates are powered?

This is all from The Killer's perspective with no regard for the experience of the Survivor. Using your approach, the same argument can be made against BT. It's equally agonizing when the Survivor is close enough to the Hook that BT provides total protection, is it not? All you can do is watch them run into the gate and escape. I don't see a distinction between the stated goals.

I think you're just overthinking it, BT still exists and it'll give you 15 whole seconds of protection. I think that's enough time for you and your teammates to formulate some kinda plan to protect your buddies. The point of DS and new OTR is that they're supposed to help discourage tunnelling, not give you a graunteed escape at the end game. If they do change OTR to deactivate in the late game I honestly don't think it'll be a problem since end game rescue builds are basically a really good thing now if you wish to run it.

If that's the case then there are 3 other people that can help you, aren't they?

That's what I mean, play for 12 hooks as killer and distribute them "fairly" according to survivor wishes and you will end up with 4 people alive at end game.

You don't need 3-4 extra chances per person but should be able to work together.

And 4e isn't supposed to happen regularly in the first place just like 4k shouldn't be the norm. So if one or two die at end game it is totally okay, of course the survivor will still feel "robbed" of their earned escape but we have to remind everybody that this is a 4vs1 and not everybody of the 4 can win all the time. At least in the perfect scenario the killer. Gets close to 10 hooks and 2 kills so everybody got the maximum amount of action during the trial.

Here is my take on it as a Killer Main.

Firstly kills don't matter to me. If i 4k then great, if i 2k cool. if i 0k oh well i will have another game.

Having said this it is very annoying when you have outplayed survivors in end game to secure your kill/hook only to have it thrown in your face because you find out that the survivor was immortal anyway. During end game no one should be without fear.

Yeah i get it solo que can suck sometimes because some players just want a win and don't care about anything else but a lot of times in end game the team has come for the rescue, took hits properly to save the hooked player and everyone escaped and i find out they are solo que.

So personally i would like to see the second chance perks like DS (which is deactivating) and new off the record which should for sure deactivate end game but i don't think other perks like BT, DH or any exhaustion perks should deactivate end game.

This is also a big slap to solo players. DS was totally fine, no change needed.

Not only they gutted perks endgame, they also reduced the stun to 3 seconds which is less than 2 seconds to gain distance from the killer due to survivor stun animation. Unusable.

It was a needed change to balance for killers, behavior staff did well, DS was too strong and used in a toxic manner, now killer can get his deserved kill without a crutch

Since they did this they should rework other perks like Rancor. If you argue that DS gives a free escape end-game, perks like Rancor shouldn't exist in the way that they are. Rework it! It's a free insta down + Mori with no hooks required AND it tells you where the survivor is.

Also nerf NOED so it can't give a free kill if a survivor is hooked by it. Deactivate it in those scenarios and revert its current (future) nerf.

Well BT requires someone else to rescue with that perk. not always gonna happen, Exhaustion perks are very easy to get around (although i do believe that exhaustion shouldnt recover whilst your on the hook. I mean you have a meat hook through your shoulder your not exactly relaxed).

Also 15 seconds BT (5 if they don't bring the BT perk) can be waited out unless they are hooked right next to an exit gate. DS and OTR both have 1min timers (80 seconds for OtR) which allows them to cross map without any fear.

The point is these perks turns survivors into tanks that can do what they want with no fear.

The end game saves are pretty much a big part of the thrill and fun of the game. IT certainly isn't doing gens and if you believe half the killers on this forum, it isn't chases either.

If they want to kill that part by making it all risk and next to no reward then...

Good luck with your game.