What is actual genrush

I don't mind genrushers, it's just comical when I bring zero slowdown and play a midtier killer to see the gens done in 3 minutes. And I don't bring slowdown. Nothing to be upset about since there's not much I could have done. Maybe I get a 1k if I'm lucky.

Hell if they want out so bad I'll sometimes even open gate for them since they're in such a hurry. Can't imagine that's very fun to them either but oh well.

Also ignoring teammates on ground, on hook and even letting them hit second stage/die on hook just so they can keep sweating gens injured, is a genrush in my book.

Also kinda annoying for teammates not just killer haha

I would honestly only call gen rushing, gen rushing if the team is stacking full toolboxes with BNPs and prove thyself.

Currently I get called a gen rusher is the gens get done and the killer applies 0 pressure, like what do you want me to do? Save people you don't hook? Remove totems that aren't active?

Absolutely agree, in 90% of the time killer runs after one survivor like a headless chicken, others have nothing else to do other than gens.

But against actual genrushers I only used 3gen, don't know what else you could do, really. Important thing is to detect genrushers as early as possible to set nice 3gen.

But I've seen genrushers no more than 5-10 times.

Oh, I can tell tons of stories like that. Once survivors were called "stupid genrushers" by Pinhead, match was pretty long, almost 30 minutes, I cleaned multiple of his totems, set 3 boons, spent 2 items obtained from chest, solved his cube 3 times only by myself, healed and unhooked, got 4 iri emblems in the end (that's why I remember it, I got 4 iris on survivor only 2 times in my life).

He just couldn't catch anyone, blame is on genrushing.

Honestly the second scenario is how survivors should be playing if they’re aiming to escape. Finishing the gens is the top priority to it makes sense to treat it that way.

As far as beating survivors who are prioritizing gens, the main thing is probably having a good macro game. Knowing when to keep chasing someone versus breaking off to go after someone else on a gen is really important. Especially the hit and run style killers, you need to play more of the long game, try and slow them down by injuring and slugging while you remove the pallets and prioritize hooking a single survivor out rather than always hooking after every down. If you can get into a cycle where you are always chasing one survivor, have another slugged or hooked, and one of the others are injured or slugged, then they’re going to have at most one survivor at a time on gens. That’s what makes slugging for pressure so valuable, it trades off a hook you might not need right that moment for 10 extra seconds saved by not carrying the person, and you can spend that time getting right back into a new chase.

So

• If a survivor manages to drop a pallet, if you don’t think you can down them quickly just break the pallet and switch targets to someone on a gen or who is out of position.
• If you see a survivor from a long distance, but they’re obviously not near any gens and it will take you a really long time to catch them, consider ignoring them and going for someone being more directly productive on gens if you think you have a decent shot of seeing someone else that way. Better to spend 5 more seconds searching to chase someone off a gen than 20 extra seconds chasing someone that wasn’t even doing anything.
• Don’t automatically hook everybody. If there’s a hook obviously right next to you, sure. Or if you’re using Pain Resonance or Pop then hooking more often can be ok too. But if you’re not using hook perks then you don’t need to hook literally every down to win, you can save time by slugging some people and hooking one or two specific people out first. Once you’re in a 3v1 after an elimination then you’ll have more spare time to actually hook after all the downs.

Wait for them to say there's no such thing as Gen Rush.

Well said.

Its a very common misconception I hear quite often by a lot of different people when they say that "I got genrushed" just because all gens got done in 5 to 6 minutes.

The actual speed at which the generators got done in itself is not a reliable way to measure whether you got genrushed or not. In a lot of cases its just the Killers lack of map pressure - whether that is a result of their gameplay or just simply bad RNG doesn't matter in this scenario, fact is their map pressure sucked and therefore the gens got done quickly.

I will however have to disagree on one thing: I do not think genrush is based on the Survivors loadout, but more on the mindset they portrait. They don't need to bring BNP toolboxes and a bunch of genrepair perks to be genrushing. They genrush when they, well, rush the generators - which means ignoring any secondary objective and soley focussing on the gens. No chests, no totems, no healing, sometimes not even unhooking all in favor of squeezing as much gen progress out as possible.

Overall, genrush is a strategy the Survivors can use. I would say its the Survivors equivalent to camping & tunneling - highly effective, but unhealthy for the game.

Sadly though, there is no way to fix this. At least not without greatly reworking how this game works - for as long as the Devs try to balance around chases, genrushing will remain to be a near unbeatable strategy.

I don't consider "gen rush" to be a thing at all. I find it odd that there would be a negative connotation associated with trying to play optimally. It's a matchmaking issue when one side can essentially run 4 throw perks if the other side runs meta and plays optimally. But neither side is wrong. They shouldn't be playing against each other

Devour is a nice surprise to teams that hard focus gens and nothing else.

I had a game recently playing The Dredge, running an all-Hex build -- Devour, Ruin, Undying, Pentimento. Playing this build before, I usually see multiple totems broken at some point, but this particular game, nothing was broken. We were on The Game (where granted, it's one of the only maps where totems are even remotely well-hidden), and the survivors I did chase simply held W and ran pallet to pallet while their teammates pounded gens (again, smart strategy on their part considering the imbalance of that map).

I had three hooks in right around 4 minutes of the match, but in that time, they'd still managed to slam 4 gens. In chase with someone while someone else was sitting on a hook, I had cornered them and made the mistake of playing cat-and-mouse with them waiting for Devour to proc, but this team left the survivor on hook go into 2nd stage to pop the last gen (in what was barely the 5 minute mark of the match). Leaving a teammate to go to 2nd stage on hook (and I was a mile away from them, so a rescue would have been easy to accomplish) to finish a gen, even the last one, is technically "genrushing" by definition, I guess, but their unwillingness to break a single totem (some of which turned out to be in pretty obvious locations, as it turned out) cost them. When they finally got the unhook, that was the 3rd stack of Devour, a bunch of insta-downs and subsequent unhooks occurred, and I ended up with a 3K -- all Moris -- anyway, despite the quick gens.

I do think the term "genrush" is used far too often, as are people describing situations involving "camping" or "runneling" that either aren't those situations, or that are necessary strategies depending on how the game is progressing. Doing gens when there's nothing else to do isn't a "genrush", but simply smart play. Prioitizing gens over everything else -- like rescuing a teammate, or cleansing that obviously those obviousy lit totems you walked past and ignored to hop on a gen -- is, but that can at least sometimes be punished (as I was able to do).

True -- though at least that particular build (with Pentimento) almost begs them to cleanse totems for me to relight (and hopefully, waste enough of their time and shield either Devour or Ruin with the Pentimento totems) to allow enough pressure to build.

This team I faced was at least a partial SWF, if not a 4-stack, and I know they saw my totems (as some of my chasing went right by some of them), but they didn't want to touch a single one. Maybe they were afraid of Haunted Ground, but they knew I had Ruin (since I pushed multiple people off of a gen at least a couple of times, even in that short of a match), so even with obvious totems -- one which was definitely affecting them -- they ignored them at their own peril.

FWIW, this was more of a meme build for me anyway -- I've stopped running Hexes (other than Plaything on certain killers) since the spawns are SO awful 95% of the time.