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The Next Original Survivor Should Be Non-Binary Gender
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It could be anything as long as it's more or less unique (and short to not be disruptive), when I started those emojis were among my most recently used ones so I used them.
🦆🦂
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honestly, that's entirely valid.
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I am cleaning up a few comments on this thread, and must once again step in and ask to please keep the conversation on-topic, and civil and respectful of others. And I will echo Mandy's earlier comment as well: Have some respect for the OP and their question about what they want represented in the game.
And I will tap this sign once again, for those that need a reminder: One's identity is NOT a political matter, the right to exist is NOT a political matter, representation is NOT a political matter, and asking for representation in any facet of media is a more than valid and understandable request.
So please, let us civilly and respectfully keep to the topic/question asked by MikaelaWantsYourBoon. Thank you.
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Sweet mother of mercy, how is it possible that the same persons keep falling for the same obvious bait comments on these threads? I mean, can't you tell you're being baited?
Anyway, the OPs idea is nice but I would also like to see the lore expanded to explore more in depth the relationships that form between the survivors, maybe lingering memories the entity couldn't erase completely and that gradually change the survivors.
I still want to see a strong straight male as David's best friend as message of acceptance and that deep, healthy non romantic relationships can exist between persons traditionally perceived as very different.
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Talking over you? On a public forum?? Who even are you???
My answer to the OP is no I don't support this being added into the game but not out of hate or disrespect towards the LGBTQ+ community. I don't think it should be a thing because look at how hostile, egotistical community members like you are towards literally every single person that has a different perspective. I'm not saying people have to agree on everything or that it always has to be kumbaya but seriously?
'Misinformation' & 'making it harder for trans people like me' - There are others who play this game that probably have the same mindset as you and with that in mind I don't see how bringing this into the game will have a happy ending. Is people being 'represented' by a DBD character really worth the extra toxicity/scapegoating/victimizing people are going to do as a result? If you and others can't even handle a forum conversation on the subject without derailing it with political buzzwords and infighting what makes anybody think they can handle the character being in the game? People complained that they were targeted by racist players with 0 evidence simply because they played a black character against Bubbas with a black mask on, what will happen when a person using this non-binary character gets tunneled or camped? What's gonna happen whenever art of this character is made or the lore/existence of this character is mentioned on any of the DBD public forums? Its gonna bring unnecessary personal beliefs, politics and avoidable drama into a community that already has enough infighting
I think the revisions to David's lore and BHVRs VERY public support of the LGBTQ+ community is more than enough representation considering a lot of the staff and certain Fog Whisperers/Featured content creators already flaunt their support openly. Would it be cool? Sure but it brings unnecessary issues along with it as anybody can easily see by reading the first 2 pages of this thread
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Alright so what have I missed so far?
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Two mods had to step in to give you an idea
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I have a feeling I know where this lead to.
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People complained that they were targeted by racist players with 0 evidence simply because they played a black character against Bubbas with a black mask on, what will happen when a person using this non-binary character gets tunneled or camped?
just because there are people like that doesn’t mean we have to be excluding certain types of representation at all. Or we shouldn’t have David as a gay character, or any characters that are not white, or even female characters.
for Bubba, there were legitimate reports of this happening on Stream, which therefore was also not reportable to BHVR because the harassment was happening outside of the game while using Smartface bubba as a tool for racism, knowing how it would affect the streamer. (Also there was a texture bug with that cosmetic)
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Well you just proved my point in a way. If they punished the innocent majority who earned those cosmetics fairly just because of fringe cases that only involved less than a handful of people then why is the same logic now not valid? Using the same logic that led to the removal of masks, wouldn't it be better to just eliminate any extra outlets for people to be toxic rather than add it? That's my perspective on it and like I said, it has nothing to do with not supporting the community or feeling negative towards it. For me its more about picking a stance and sticking to it. I'm fine with them adding anything and everything into the game concerning this specific topic as long as it meant they weren't going to later remove it to virtue signal based off random incidents. I am personally salty still over the way the Bubba incident was handled and feel like they need to be consistent then if that's how they want to handle those types of situations
If they add it then cool that's fine with me, If not then cool because its less fuel in the DBD fire. Just my opinion and I know I'm not the only one who feels the same. More power to BHVR for whatever path they choose
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Why do games have to be diverse why do we have to cater to people being represented in a game its a game not real life. The more inclusive you make a game the more exclusive it becomes why don't we have any small people in the game why don't we have any people with leprosy in the game why don't we have people with elephantid's in the game you start worrying about peoples feelings in a video game its doomed to fail you cant please everyone so why start pleasing one group and not the other. How about just have male and female characters in the game and you can decide in your head what is going on with their extended lore. My Feng is a ######### it doesn't say that in the official lore but my Feng is just like your meg can be transgender if you want.
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There are 2 major differences between the situations you're failing to address:
1) People had no choice in the matter when facing the blackface Bubba cosmetics. They had zero autonomy in that situation for they could not control the cosmetics, charms, or characters others play. People do have control over their own characters, cosmetics, and charms, and so should be open to the fact that immature scumbags can't control their hatred of queer people and that they are more than capable of reporting them.
2) Blackface Bubba was a genuinely semi-commonly occurring thing. Even I dealt with it several times over when I was playing Claudette. The Asian mask wasn't much better, either.
The only time I've ever heard of people reporting others for killing them while playing with a pride charm on/as David King is in hypothetical arguments used to scaremonger or obvious satire between friends who meet across matches. I have never seen someone falsely accuse another of doing this, through my own experience nor that of anyone I talk to (and trust me, my dbd contact web is wide). The only times it's ever brought up are when it actually happened, confirmed by the killer within post-game chat because bigots just can't help themselves but to proudly exclaim to the world that they're an immature waste of oxygen.
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Hi! On the fringe chance you're actually inquiring here and not just being a bigot, here's a helpful uni thesis which scored the highest passing grade on why it's very important in society, actually.
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This has been both the best and worst comment section I've ever read on these forums.
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Be glad you weren't here for the deleted ones because hooooo boy they got a bit spicy
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Exactly. We’ve been having straight characters for so long and no one complains, but these people pitch a fit when there’s one LGBT character. It’s a little sad really.
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If two mods has to step in, it must have been an absolute trainwreck. I take a year-and-a-half break from the forums and this is what I come back to.
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I would like a well thought out survivor and if they happen to be straight gay,etc that's great as long as there story doesn't revolve around them been x orientation. To be clear I'm straight and don't really care what the orientation of the survivor is as long as the back story is solid. Imo people push out a lgbt+ character just to check off that box and the character completely revolves around the identity of been that. David was done ok in my opinion because his whole character doesn't revolve around him been gay.
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I’m not homophobic, and I have gay friends, but I think more representation for LGBT+ in dbd would be smart.
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I know for a fact that you said the first 2 parts of that just for the bingo card 💔💔
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I did it so that people would need to read the comment twice because they'd think they misread it
Smug bird for bingo card
(I edited this at like 12:00 AM using the Screenshot edit on a phone using my fingers, and guessing the shade of red)
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This shouldn't matter in the slightest.
This is a horror themed asymmetrical party game.
I want the characters to have personalities, not walking statements that consist of "blank rights!".
It's boring and a slippery slope, you cater to one group and 10 more come crawling out to demand their cut of the pie, it's disingenuous and tacky.
Mikaela was already dumb, I don't want anything worse than her.
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Oh you're gonna hate it when I tell you that we've been getting cisgendered heterosexual representation in DBD since August 2016 aren't you?
But go off on how it's only an issue when it's LGBT content. I didn't see you raising any objections to Nurse, Felix, Legion, or even during David's first Tome before it was confirmed he was gay.
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What happened with Mikaela?? Also - why can't there be representation in a horror game?
Why are straight characters perfectly fine but LGBT+ Characters "tacky" or "disingenuous?"
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David being gay is fine because it doesn't matter. It's treated as a fun little tidbit at best.
Add whoever you want, but be tasteful about it.
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Fair.
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I don't know if this is sarcasm or not because they kind of made a whole announcement on Twitter and gave him a tome (alongside the twins, but whatever) specifically to tell people he's gay. Also a cosmetic.
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Yes, they certainly did take their multi year long character and suddenly spring forth that he is gay, and that it is SUPER important now for some reason.
Like I said, tacky. It's lazy, and is making something that shouldn't matter suddenly matter a lot.
You know what's more interesting than him being gay? Being a scrapper from Europe.
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Surviving Europe is a more impressive feat than surviving the Entity for sure.
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You lot know that scene in the Matrix where Neo sees the cat and then he sees the cat again?
That's me and this thread
I thought this was the same thread from the other day for a second
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Wait, fictosexual representation when?
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already a thing 🤔
Trickster is in love with himself
(He is a fictional character)
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👀👀
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Literally any relationship in dbd is fictosexual, technically.
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Oh real people falling in love with fictional characters over real people has been a thing for a while. It absolutely exists. And I’m sure Trickster is in love with himself lol.
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First time hearing the term for it
I heard people had 'waifus' or smth tho
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Here’s more insight on it. It’s one of the very niche sexualities so a lot of people don’t know about it but it is as valid as the rest.
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It's like I always say
Every day's a school day.
(Also unintentional rhyme.)
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Yep lol. I’m glad I’m able to show more people about it. I do identify as ficto, and even though some game characters aren’t “real”, my feelings for them definitely are.
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Well...ya learn something new everyday as they say....
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Great idea.
And what about non-human survivors?
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It still creates more exclusivity. So what about the kid that doesn't have a character that portrays their lifestyle you are basically telling him he doesn't matter.
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Can I recommend a movie for you?
It is called "Sleepaway Camp".
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That’s why we need more and diverse representation in all kind of media. You can’t just pack any kind of representation into one medium, it’s literally impossible and everyone should be aware of that. But that doesn’t mean that within a roster of 50+ very diverse characters with multiple explicit mentions of heterosexuality and cis genders there isn’t one LGBTQ+ character. Of course we have David now, which is very good. But that doesn’t mean they should just stop now as that is the very definition of a token character.
keep in mind the creators of the game and the stories want to be inclusive and want to tell stories of all walks of life.
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It’s just a game, we don’t need to be excluding certain genders to please those filled with hatred. Just let the creators create the characters they want without trying to limit them
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They have already stated that survivors from historic times are very unlikely as it wouldn’t feel natural for them to repair generators as they would have no clue what kind of machine that is etc. (contrary to that, killers can very well be from more ancient times as they just chase and hook survivors, see Plagues existence)
animals wouldn’t make sense here.
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no thanks, actually there are enough survivors/killers already, i think that bhvr should start to focusing on the game itself rather than releasing new (bugged) content...
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They said they didn't want their first LGBT character behind a paywall (which in-game currency kinda defeats that point).
So would said new character be a free character (I know, taboo) or would they have to be bought (iri or auric)?
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Nurse has husband, it is alright.
David has girlfriend, it is alright.
Frank and Julie likes each other, straight relationship. It is alright.
Felix has wife and child, it is alright.
David is gay now. People are asking for more LGBT+ characters! WHY? This is online horror game, character sexualities should not exists in game!
And what is wrong with Mikaela anyway? She is great character.
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The first confirmed LGBT character is David King and that one is free sooo…
if a new character happens to be LGBTQ+ then I don’t see them being treated differently to any other new character.
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