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Survivors using communications are cheaters by definition, but DBD don't care?
Firstly I'm not calling players who use 3rd party communications cheaters, they are simply just that by definition.
A definition of a cheater is someone who has an unfair advantage and by DBD allowing communications they unfairly are giving this advantage over other players.
Once players have an unfair advantage over others the game is not balanced, something DBD claims to do but is only trying to freshen up this game.
Most players don't like to be called a cheat but until DBD do the only logical thing by providing communications for all in the game itself, players will then always be matched with this definition of being a cheat.
In the meantime DBD doesn't do anything about this and lets the community argue about everything this causes.
Any thoughts why DBD don't address this core balancing issue?
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This has been gone over multiple times- basically, it categorically isn't cheating by definition and it's also explicitly allowed by the developers, so there's not much conversation to be had beyond how best to bridge the information gap. A conversation that doesn't require the false assertion that comms are cheating.
Brief side note but adding voice comms to the game by default wouldn't even come close to fixing the problem, it's not even a logical solution, let alone the only one.
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The official Dead By Daylight Discord literally has a #########-ton of SWF voice channels. Not only do they not care, they literally embrace it. It's not cheating, at least according to BHVR.
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I 'cheat' and idc. They want the game to be fun, why would they restrict it.
They are working to make solo queue better, they have said that. Chill.
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A few issues
1. Because bhvr made the game and the rules of said game they define what is cheating or not. The devs have said swf is not cheating. End of discussion.
2. I disagree with your definition of cheating. Cheating in a game is breaking the established rules of the game in order to gain an unfair advantage. Because as we said before the devs don't consider it cheating. Also what about other legal things in the game. Certain killer addons can give an unfair advantage against a group of solo queue survivors or uncoordinated swf. Is that technically cheating by your definition
Honestly we shouldn't even be having this conversation because the devs have started multiple times it's legal and not cheating.
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The devs don't care because there is no way they could prevent players from doing it.
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Gideon Meat Plant offering confirmed cheating because it gives Survivors unfair advantage. ;)
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This. Even if they wanted to stop it, what is BHVR gonna do?
What we think about it (I don't think it's cheating, but it does confer a massive advantage) is largely irrelevant because it's something that takes place outside of DBD itself, and can't be policed in any meaningful way.
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You got it backwards. It's not that people with comms are having an unfair advantage and therefore they are cheating. - It's that SoloQ has an unfair disatvantage due to design flaws that to this day have not been addressed.
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Yeah why learn and improve from your mistakes when you can just call the other side cheaters for playing with their friends?
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Your definition of cheating is missing a key component. Cheating isn't simply having an unfair advantage. It's gaining that unfair advantage by subverting rules or acting dishonestly.
I am not athletic in any way. If I play 1 on 1 basketball against a professional basketball player, my opponent decidedly has an unfair advantage but is in no way cheating.
If, however, we are playing in an official amateur 1 on 1 tournament where all players are expected to be amateurs and my opponent pretends to be an amateur despite being a professional, then that is cheating.
If the DbD rules stated "no comms of any kind" then I would agree with you, but since comms are not against the rules then they are by definition not cheating.
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Using Discord or other 3rd party communication tools is not cheating. We built SWF into the game from the very start, knowing that players would want to play with their friends and fully anticipated using communications.
We do not have any rule in place around communication nor intend to, and we in fact specifically say that using communications as a SWF is not something that's reportable, hence not cheating. So please do not spread misinformation - you might not like SWF, but please do not call them or people using the process a cheat - or define it in that manner.
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