My thread was closed with no reason given
No reason was my previous thread closed and a copy and paste template message that did not address what was being said put at the end of it.
To respond to the template response...
"Using Discord or other 3rd party communication tools is not cheating."
I am aware that your company is unable to stop communications and a quick fix is to say it is okay.
However it does not stop the unfair advantage that people who use communications have over other players.
This unfair advantage over other players is a definition of the word cheat(ing) but I am using a UK dictionary definition.
"We built SWF into the game from the very start,"
I'm sure SWF came later after survivors kept lobby dodging to play with their friends but I'm not sure why you mention this?
", knowing that players would want to play with their friends and fully anticipated using communications."
Dam who wrote this template message?
"We do not have any rule in place around communication nor intend to,"
Could this sound more like a template message?
" and we in fact specifically say that using communications as a SWF is not something that's reportable,"
>I am aware that your company is unable to stop communications and a quick fix is to say it is okay.
"hence not cheating."
Please see reference to a definition of cheating in the UK dictionary.
"So please do not spread misinformation"
A UK dictionary is misinformation?
"you might not like SWF,"
What has personal feelings got to do with a dictionary definition?
" but please do not call them or people using the process a cheat"
My very first line in the message read:
>Firstly I'm not calling players who use 3rd party communications cheaters, they are simply just that by definition.
" - or define it in that manner."
Seriously, I don't have any input into what goes into any dictionary. I just use dictionaries for reference and educational purposes.
My entire post was not to upset players that do or do not use communications as the problem simply lies at the feet of DBD but I can have empathy why you'd want to ignore and not address an easy way of fixing it with the programming team.
I don't mean to upset anyone but just wish to bring a fair balanced game to everyone
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3059629
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If the people who make the game say something isn't cheating, then it isn't cheating. Period. End of story.
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Dictionaries aren't true. Period. End of story?
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Again, I am aware there are quite a few people who use communications. This isn't to make you feel threatened, think of it as being balanced, fair and making new friends with the in game comms that DBD have still yet to program... but sure DBD has never used a quick fix before.
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Jargon is a thing too. Jargon typically overrules the dictionary.
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I don’t think any dictionary actually has the DbD game rules written down?
Cheating in a game is defined by the creators. If they tell you that using voice comms isn’t cheating then it isn’t cheating..
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Someone's never played Calvinball, I see.
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The uk dictionary aint the ones who made the game
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Dictionaries are lying to you, form your own opinions. -Meg
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There is no reasonable option against this. Wasting resources fighting comms and pushing players away isn't the way.
SWFs on comms certainly have an advantage but the idea to raise solos to their level and balance killers accordingly is a good way to handle it.
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Lol. "Unfair advantage". That is your language towards SWF. I'd argue that there are advantages to SWF, but I can't think of anything unfair about it.
That would be like me saying killers have an unfair advantage playing against solo players because solo players often DC or suicide on hook. Killers are therefore cheating. I don't say that though, because I know it's not cheating even though killer definitely has a leg up in most games against four solo players.
Ultimately, the game creators decide what is cheating and what isn't. It's no different than any other game or any other sport.
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pls stop.
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Cheating is defined as breaking the rules. The rules are written by the devs. The devs say it’s allowed. So it’s not cheating, even by the dictionary definition you’re citing.
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Comms are unfair,I don't think there is any doubt about that. (If you really don't see why, well, too bad.)
But unfair and cheating isn't the same thing.
Besides, the devs are progressively balancing the game around that and make it more fair.
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The reason has been already given to you. Stop it
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If you're cheating, you're going against the rules to get an unfair advantage.
The Devs, who are the ones that make the rules, have said that third party communication software and playing with friends is not breaking any rules, therefore it is not giving anyone an unfair advantage, therefore it is by definition not cheating.
I don't see how this is that confusing. Especially after you got an official response from Mandy in your previous discussion stating this.
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Here's a dev stream from BEFORE launch. They talk about SWF. They chose to focus on KYF for launch but SWF to follow "soon after, as soon as we can." So SWF was planned from the start, it was just delayed from launch.
23:29 mark so you can see for yourself.
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I'm finding it amazing how many seem to be taking this personally.
I am not calling you a cheat, you are by definition cheating if you use comms according to a dictionary as it falls into a definition, an unfair advantage over other players.
Looking at some of these comments I can see why this game is never going to be balanced.
As yourself, do communications give an advantage over other players? If yes then that is unfair on the players who do not have comms.
Now if you introduce communications for all 4 survivors to use, nobody has an unfair advantage and the game can be balanced on a fair playing field... or ice rink.
There will be people who do not speak the same language but that can be fixed with preferences, there are people who aren't nice and that can be fixed with mute, it will never be 100% perfect but communications actually being part of the game is as close as we can get it folks.
Until then people who use communications will always have an advantage and the game can never be balanced around something free.
Personally I love the idea of playing solo and guessing what is going on but also understand people like to chat with their friends.
Please don't take this as being insulting to you as whether you can help it or not, communications are very strong and there is a reason for people to want to play with them so lets embrace the option to chat with every survivor in the trial and have a fairer game
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This is a multiplayer game built around cooperation, it is a reasonable expectation that players will be using voice to communicate, it's also impossible to police, as even console players can use discord or any other third party program via another device.
Using voice comms is not an unfair advantage, it's the baseline expectation.
Not using comms is actually the handicap.
However, it cannot be forced upon players either.
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Dictionary...?
is this something like the Survivor Handbook™?
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The rules, as written on the game rules page, can be read that way though. From that alone it's not clear if it's cheating but tolerated, or if it's not cheating (the latter being the case as clarified by MandyTalk; i.e. it's not cheating).
It might be worth it to rephrase that section in the game rules a bit to clear that up.
Why it matters: If it was considered cheating (emphasis on was, because it is not) then it wouldn't make sense to balance the game around it. It would affect how the game should be balanced and discussions about balance in general.
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The devs don't decide what's cheating in their game, I do.
Give me the keys.
Give me the keys, Peanits, it's my game now.
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Adding in-game comms is something that BHVR would have to divert resources to. It would require programming, constant debugging I'm sure (because this is BHVR), and more staff to police them and issue bans for harassment. It might require BHVR to implement audio recording, as they could get in trouble for what people say over the in-game comms.
And a hell of a lot of players will just mute the damn things, anyway. I certainly would.
It's easier for BHVR to let people continue to do what they're already doing: use third-party software to communicate. Then it's someone else's problem and BHVR can focus on the infinite number of problems that already exist within their game without adding new ones.
It's a lot of hassle for something that's just not necessary. They're better off adding the HUD icons so survivors can see what their teammates are doing, and maybe a communication wheel that will make it possible for players of all languages to coordinate.
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I think it’s amazing how you act like any one here is taking it personally when pretty much all responses are just people telling you that you are wrong in objective and reasonable ways. And I am telling you this as someone who pretty much never plays this game using voice comms at all. Your definition of cheating doesn’t apply here when the creators of the game explicitly state that it’s not cheating.
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To clarify, your post was closed by Mandy with this reason given, as you quoted:
As Mandy said, using 3rd party communication while playing the game is not cheating, nor is it or will it be defined as cheating, as you called them in your prior post's title. Posts referring to other players as cheating for being in verbal contact in game easily turn into uncivil discourse and spreading misinformation to others, as we may do with threads that are likely to quickly turn uncivil, your thread was closed, with a reminder of this information from our Community Coordinator (this is word from BHVR in the matter, not a copy-paste response).
I will also respectfully ask, if your thread was closed by a Moderator, please do not continue another thread on the matter. If you have questions or concerns regarding things such as thread closures, you may discuss it or request to discuss it further on the Moderator's profile Activity wall. Thank you.
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