Are you happy with the upcoming NOED change?

But what about sandbagging the bill to check for noed?

Haha, nah that would be cool too. I feel that would remove the most frustrating points to NOED without reworking the perk completely.

It's a pretty good change, though personally I'd still like to see NOED completely reworked. It's a pretty mediocre perk that only consistently gives a single down at the endgame against survivors who don't play like complete lemmings, so having its effect be fundamentally changed to something else might alleviate that issue.

Still, a change that bolsters the counterplay some folks stubbornly pretend it doesn't have is a good one. It'll push survivors to stay in the trial a bit longer too, which with NOED in play provides the killer a brief window to make a play. If they were going to make a change while preserving NOED's current effects, this is definitely the best way to do it.

I think its the first time I see this suggestion and its actually quite good, I always suggest a token system where the perk is stronger the more totems standing but something tied to the number of hooks sounds great, it would make it so facecampers dont get that extra kill if the rest manage to fix the gens.

I agree, it's good but not good enough. It should have been reworked so it grows weaker with each totem cleansed. Maybe each survivor that cleanses a totem before the gates are powered is unaffected by the instadown? Blessing boons doesn't count.

The perk is pretty much unchanged, so no. It should have worked on a token system where you gain a token either for every hook you got or every totem still standing when noed activates.

I'm fine with it. Never really had an issue with it. It only snowballs teams if the killer builds around it entirely or the survivors position extremely poorly in the endgame.

Never really understood the "rewards poor play" talking point. There are lots of perks that cause Exposed. And a trial can reach endgame because the killer had 3 perks in the first place. Suddenly that same killer is good if they run a slowdown in the 4th slot instead of NOED and 4k with the gens up?

And again, the survivors played very poorly if a game goes from 0k to 3 or 4k because of NOED. The trial isn't over once the gens are done. Be smart about positioning and don't greed the gates if you don't know about NOED yet

I don’t really play killer much (outside of rift challenges) for it to bother me. As a survivor, it will be so nice since it’ll let me focus on gens the whole match, hide when the last one pops and just urban evade around the map until I see that pink silhouette.

I do wish the devs made it basekit just so I could enjoy all the rage and the tsunami of salty tears the forums would be flooded with.

No because it doesn’t really solve the core issues of the perk. If the killer hooks near the totem and camps then nothing will be different, the aura will tell you to just leave since there’s nothing else you can do at that point. But I’ll take it over nothing.

It's not the change I wanted for NOED. I was hoping it'd become a token perk where your hooks in the match would determine your endgame reward, so people couldn't suck all game and then get at least one guaranteed camp kill with NOED versus most solo queue teams. So, like, 5 hooks gets you the current perma-Exposed, but 1 hook might just make everyone scream when the last gen pops and 3 maybe incapacitates the first person who touches an exit gate switch for 10s. Something like that.

The change they made will help, and I'm hoping that it gets killers to patrol more than camp, because it's way more likely people will be hunting for the totem. But I think the fundamental issues weren't addressed of how NOED tends to propel new players beyond their means, how well it works as a safety net for bad playstyles (and I don't mean stuff I don't like going against, I mean ineffective stuff like chasing one player all game or, like, a Wraith facecamping at 5 gens), and how preemptively deactivating it is not feasible without comms or an immense skill mismatch - and even then, you're racing against your solo queue teammates, because the odds of all four people independently deciding to worry about NOED instead of plugging along on gens is basically zero.

I like the change. The totem being visible now will definitely hurt it's effectiveness because people would spend time running around trying to find it. That can be a nightmare on some maps.

Do you feel like endgame perks/builds in general are rewarding bad play, or is it just because NOED has no activation condition? I could definitely see a minor activation condition for NOED, like you need to hook at least two different survivors (or something like that).

Works for me.

I know someone will be definitely trying to cleanse it so it shouldn't be hard to get a down or two before its gone.

But that's assuming that someone doesn't cleanse all the totems beforehand. Despite all the whining and crying about it, cleansing totems with any one of the numerous tracking perks for it is very easy to do and gets you a good chunk of BP.

Yes the change is good. I personally think the 4m aura reveal is good enough but whatever. Still a positive change :)

At the end of the day there are more reliable end game perks + exposure perks for killers than NOED (old or new flavor).

No. I don't get why they want to reward bad players. There are still incredibly strong end game perks like No Way Out that don't just hand you a kill or two that you didn't earn. Getting downed with NOED will still feel terrible and make you question why you're playing the game.

They should also have made it so if a hooked survivor is close to NOED, it deactivates or changes spawn location (if possible). Currently when a survivor is hooked by NOED there is very little counter play.

The noed change is a bad change.

Noed didn't need a nerf imo but I think it's fair.