If you want camping to stop then killers need basekit rewards

Killers are getting a bunch of baseline buffs already with this upcoming patch. And they surely will be more impactful than the nerfs to certain killer meta perks.

But that alone won't do the trick. You also have to nerf camping and tunneling, preferably to the ground. If killers will need further buffs to compensate for this, then the devs should do that as well. But camping and tunneling will also need to be nerfed a lot, so they aren't nearly as effective strategies as they currently are.

Camping/tunneling are the lowest common denominator of "strategies" ... and unless the game puts in measures that simply make it not worth it, killers who do those things now, will continue to do so regardless of how the game is made easier. Period.

Give them basekit rewards, they will continue to do so. And... once these rewards are no longer new, they will take getting them for granted, and just find other reasons as to why "this is why killers camp/tunnel" and do just that.

Its people wanting easy kills for the most part, not wanting to learn to loop. Sure, some maps are just ass for some killers being way too big. But tunneling/camping at its core is just people wanting to play the game on easy when looping is too hard. Or they dedicated way too much time on their first chase because their ego made them just HAVE to catch that survivor, and when they did 2-3 were "genrushed" (killers fault when that happens) and now they feel behind. Or they just want to be toxic but I mean... what can you do XD

PS, yes I play killer.

"Camping/tunneling are the lowest common denominator of "strategies"

So why do survivors do it? Why do they camp generators and tunnel them out of the game? Oh right - they do it the same reason killers do. Removing a survivor/generator is a discreet part of your objective that cannot be undone. One real quick way to make killers not camp is to allow them to regress completed generators.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about as the very best DBD streamers slug/tunnel and camp to secure kills to clinch a game.

You're incredibly brave for saying this. You're right by the way - killers need base kit rewards for hooking. You know what's funny? You dont get we're gonna live forever, or borrowed time if you slug. Since Pop and Scourge hook pain res are dead - the next patch might go back to a slug meta.

I still say killers should get something like this for basekit : if you are 16m away from a hooked survivor then the generator with the most progress remains blocked to survivors until that survivor dies or is rescued as long as you are 16m away from the hook.

You know what you still get to do after being flashlight saved? Play the freaking match and get into chases and earn points. You know what you can do as survivor after they are camped and tunneled out of the game? Nothing. No more participating in the match, no more BP, nothing. It's why using BP offerings as survivor is not worth it really, it's basically a gamble.

Brother, I love how people tend to see camping only as that one Bubba that just stands below your feet just waiting to trigger a chainsaw and they still have the nerve to say if you put somebody on a hook you're supposed to forget they are even there.

There's a video from Lilith Omen who is a Blight main, where he gets 50 wins in a row with Blight and you can see his play style in almost every map, he puts somebody on a hook, run to hit another guy yet he usually comes back to check if someone is saving the hooked person. This is considered "proxy camping" or something from the survivor rule book which everybody show set fire to and throw it in the trash.

Hell, even the devs said themselves "camping is a valid strategy for the killer to secure a kill" and it absolutely is, if you stay there all game you will lose, if you keep returning to the hook to get hits on people who attempt to save the hooked survivor, you're just applying even more pressure.

My point in all of this is: people tend to yell camp even when you're not in fact camping, as a killer you need to capitalize on every single opportunity or you will lose anyway, it isn't a big deal to for example force a survivor to enter hook phase 2 because nobody could save them in time. People tend to forget that you need to ######### up twice to go down, twice more for the second hook stage, twice more to be dead without even counting a godly timed Dead Hard's (specially now with 0.5 secs you will need godly instincts to activate it at the right time but if you do there's nothing the killer can do about it) and other perks, protection hits, instaheals, endurance medkits and more. The killers capitalize where they can.

So... You're calling "strategy" sitting in a spot and just waiting to kill 1 out of 4 survivors? New players do it because new survivors are clueless enough to go attempt a save with the killer 3 feet away.

Is it though? Is waiting for a guy to die through all hook phases while simply not playing the game easier to get you a win? Hell, I guess I've been playing this game wrong struggling for a 3k when I could just put a guy on hook and wait right next to him for me to win the game.

You say there's no shortage of killers whining about not getting 4K's every game while BHVR LITERALLY SAID killers have been getting way fewer kills than intended, so that probably means something right? There's also no shortage of those survivors that got off the hook 2 seconds ago, touched a generator in front of the killer, got downed and hooked again just to whine about being tunneled/camped at the endgame chat.

The same way you find toxic killers that want 4k every game you find entitled survivors with god complex that think they should escape every game.

And you do understand the lack of simple logic in the statement "easy 4k face camping" right? If you facecamp you lost the game, unless the survivors themselves want to throw the game at your feet.

Lmfao even with NOED+Blood Warden combo, getting 4k simply by standing still camping is just NEVER happening unless you're a Bubba with everybody simply standing still grouped together for you to chainsaw through.

Really, the change to BBQ is a really sad one. While I understand that they want to step away from BP rewards, they should have thrown something else in to sweeten the deal, like a +4% base speed bonus for 10s after hooking as long as you move away from the hook, encouraging you to chase after some distant survivor you just saw.

Also, nothing chases you away from the hook as something juicy like Devour Hope. Good Devour games are rare and far between, but they are pretty exciting, at least for the killer. Sadly the state of Hexes right now makes it very unreliable and not exactly viable to play. BUT some base-buffs build around the Devour mechanic could absolutely work. Of course I am not talking about exposed status effect or something like that, but some base buffs for a killer who actively walks away and is 24m away when the unhooking takes place, without shooting the killer in the foot.

Maybe this could be a random blessing of The Entity, chosen from a small pool of buffs or survivor debuffs that shouldn't be super impactful, but at least more fun then camping 2min. Maybe block the gens that are getting worked at for 5s and so also giving the killer a objective, or hindering the survivors not involved with the unhooking for 20s or giving the killer a Bloodhound effect. Something like that that encourages the killer to roam around and still keeps the ball in the field.

"You on the one hand say facecamping is an automatic L for killers, then you got the other in here saying the top dbd streamers use it as their tactic to get wins. You camping "experts" are all over the place."

Let's define our terms. First I said camping which is completely different than face camping. When someone says Face camping I assume we are talking about a LF who literally stands within 2m of the hook and never moves. It would also refer to the end game where the killer literally has no reason to leave a hooked survivor.

I would define camping as a situation where a killer defends a hook without really leaving to pursue a chase. Usually this is done when a survivor is about to die or about to have a change in hook state. Noteably the killer was usually not there the entire hook state. Camping could also be a situation where a killer stands in a dead zone in front of a hook as some sort of "goalie" where the survivors have to rush into danger to save.

Literally anyone who knows who he is will say that Otz is a respected and talented member of the DBD community. He is the first to admit that he will camp/slug/tunnel to win if he thinks it is necessary. You can find that he does all of those things in his win streaks. He will also use those tactics in random matches where he wants to apply pressure.

But he does not face camp - except in the case of securing one last kill when there is no chance to get another. Since you seem to be confused about the topic I will mention face camping again. Generally speaking it is a guaranteed loss to down one person and stand in front of them until they die - but there are exceptions.

Every now and then when using corrupt you down someone very quickly while corrupt is still active. If you down them near workable generators then you can camp them and apply pressure to those generators. Until corrupt changes the other gens will still be blocked. It is possible for example that you might have an entire minute where only 2 generators can be safely touched. That survivor on the hook will likely hit stage two and the survivors will be very behind. Just so we are perfectly clear : this is a rare event and will no longer be possible next patch.

Until the perk gets changed however it prevents a very powerful situation where corrupt can create a very powerful face camping opportunity. If the survivors rush to complete those two generators they will very likely get the hooked survivor killed as the killer would almost certainly tunnel them out of the game.

"It's funny survivors are perfectly fine with being allowed to rush 2/3 gens in less than 5 minutes, but hell forbide the killer to be just as eficient on the game."

When survivors play at peak efficiency they force the killer to do the same. If I lose three generators that means I need to counter with three hook states lost by a single survivor.