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Why is Hillbilly so rare?
Too difficult? Too map dependant? Bad addons? Hard punish for even small mistakes? Not great in loops? Not fun anymore? Overheat bad?
Why do you think Hillbilly is so rare? Also if you don't play Billy much, what are the reasons for it?
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He's annoying sound-design wise.
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because he feels awful to play now
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He requires too much effort and skill to warrant his strength. Why play him when you can learn nurse or blight who are both much easier, much better and have better add ons?
Also as far as I know his animations are still messed up and make it harder for him to see when he misses a saw
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Because he feels awful to play as and against, YES i said against too, i was used to good billies flicking pretty much 24/7 and providing a really entertaining gameplay, now billy players are trying to show off skills that are not there anymore and after smashing their head 20 times on a wall trying to get some swag flick they all end up m1ing and facecamping someone at 5 gens done.
It's a really pityful experience because they end up playing a bubba from wish version.
Honestly they should swap billy and blight collision so that playing billy doesn't feel as a pathetic experience anymore.
PS i hate lopro chains, its not op, its not broken its just a badly designed addon that makes billy players play bad. Devs should lower the debuff charge time from engravings addons and bring back the overheat that there was shortly after the release. Or maybe make it so overheat builds up 3x times faster near a hook
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A lot of effort, I'd say even more than you need to put into Nurse. And the only reward his players are getting is a constant middle finger from BHVR.
Since his rework, his player base went basically extinct. If I see one Billy in a month, I'm lucky.
Overheat was a very bad addition to him.
And when his players started having fun in the game again, by goofing around as Sky Billy, BHVR took that one from them too.
It just looks like devs don't want Billy in the game.
I don't play Billy, I wish I could. But I can't help it, I feel bad seeing how hard is Billy's players life. I hope that they'll find fun in this game again, so I'll be able to face them more :(
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Hillbilly has the worst effort-to-value ratio in the game.
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Why do I want a character with no chase power that is easily looped that has an insanely long charge up time for an instant down that can only affect one person? The ONLY thing he has going for him is map mobility.
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Too hard to play and his gamestyle isnt really unique so people tend to gravitate to other, easier to play Killers.
You want to stomp? Nurse and Spirit give you guaranteed stomps when you are decent enough, you want gotta-go-fast Killers? Oni and Blight are more versatile and have a better basekit and all 4 of them are overall much easier to play than Hillbilly, maybe Oni comes in as second hardest Killer in the game. This happens a lot, you want stealth? Wraith is easier and gives you more for your money than Sadako, Myers or Ghostface, you want zoners? Pyramid Head and Nemesis give you more than Deathslinger and both are easier.
On the other hand, if you find a Hillbilly and he isnt a newcomer who doesnt know what the Killers are odds are you are in for a very tough match because he is going to be very good at him.
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The unrequested rework killed him. That's why.
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As one of the last Hillbillies out there, there are legit some many pitiful reasons.
1.Overheat actively punishes you for trying to use your Chainsawed as much as possible when it isn’t even that oppressive considering Bubba has a better insta-down, Oni has better curving, and Blight has better mobility, overheat he a dumb.
2.He is very punishing for mistakes a missed chainsaw will allow another survivor to get to another loop, this was fine before overheat, now it makes it punishing.
3.Animations are messy very hard to keep track of survivors.
4.No really good add-ons, none of his are super good, the best are engravings but for some reason they have a charge debuff while Oni and Blight arguably stronger have add-ons that don’t.
5.Maps are becoming very hard for Hillbilly, the hit boxes of objects have made it very annoying like a random branch not even close will clip you, and loops harder to curve, Eeyrie and Garden prime example.
Simply you have to put in so much effort to actually get some decent results with Hillbilly more with Nurse for example, who once you get muscle memory with blinks you’ll get results, while Hillbilly to get to that point takes much longer, because you have to get muscle memory of charge time, object hit boxes, every loop with curving, individual charge with add-ons with engravings, overheat mechanic limiting how much you can do, and it essentially makes it punishing experience which is why no one plays him casually or few try to master him anymore. Which is depressing since if they fix some issues Hillbillies could come back.
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I was a Billy main but after they added overheat you get punished for using your power and like the post above mentioned that Bubba has a arguably stronger insta down without an overheat.
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Billy is rare because the insta saw is gone and people are bored to learn.
Overheat is not a problem I have never seen a billy overheat.
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When you go against decent survivors that never hugs loops against a Billy you will rarely get any spicy curves and you're gonna get looped to oblivion his chainsaw can be so hard to use in many tiles/loops.
The overheat mechanic never really bothered me I just don't like the new maps all of them have weird collision and nonsense hitboxes that makes it hard for you to go for curves,billy is already a hard killer to master they made him even more frustrating to learn when playing on the new maps seriously fk Eyrie of Crows.
He's similar to Oni so I am somewhat decent at him but man he's probably the most frustrating killer to play in the whole game BHVR really hate Billyboi
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Because why chose him when there are better picks who are much easier to learn?
People dont like difficulty nowadays, they just wanna pick something up and do well with it
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Just saying: if you are still at 5 gens after a Billy hit the wall 20 times with a chainsaw charge, then you suck at the game :)
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I suggest you to read better, it helps understanding simple phrases and also help you to avoid using emotes in a passive aggressive way without any proper reason
In case it was too difficult to spot the point i can help you brother
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he feels awful to play now, plus his sound design is terrible. dont know why they felt the need to add the roar after EVERY chainsaw sprint.... its annoying and unnecessary.
also, the new map reworks cuck him very hard. theres so many debris and trees now that it can be hard to do anything without bumping into something.
and overheat too but thats just beating a dead horse.
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First, lets not escalate this into a forum war. I was just poking some fun at you (true), I think that I was rather upfront with that and didn't try to hide anything with being passively aggressive.
Second, though, your statement is ambiguous enough that it allows both readings, yours and mine. But lets leave it at that and just have some fun in our next trials. Enjoy your double XP weekend <3 (that heart is unironical, btw <3) ((the second one might not be)).
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I cant start a forum war with just 1 user, i'd need at least 5
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He is too hard and still not good at the same time. You can just play Bubba and get easy chainsaw hits while as Billy, you should use him insanely well but even playing him insanely good, Bubba still million times better than him. Overheat just punishes you for using your power while Bubba's overheat only works when he revs his chainsaw at the near of the hook. His animations still not fixed since the 3.7.0 patch. Also Billy still doesnt have any good addons (even his engravings have big charge time downside which is bad against good survivors and i dont even consider lopro is a good addon, how much you getting lopro value against good survivors?once per match?). Exception of engravings and tuning guide, playing him with and without addons are same. Yeah. Thats why no one plays this killer anymore.
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Nerfing him in that way was not the right call, and seeing how less you face Hillbilly as survivor is proof of this. They messed up here but let's hope they will take a look at this killer soon because he was one of the most popular killers before and he could be again, if they change some things.
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Probably the need of skill and patience. It's not very rewarding playing him if you don't already know him. I play him a lot, his is my favorite killer. It'd be cool to see a buff, make engravings base kit haha.
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Feels bad to play, noisy and your soul dies when yo go into an indoor map and cant run.
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He's so hard to play and very map dependant.
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Because BHVR ruined him
Same way they ruined Freddy. Same way they ruined Deathslinger. And who knows, maybe they are coming for YOUR favorite killer next.
And they have the audacity to call it "rework" Ha! "Termination" is a far more accurate term.
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You see billies? I dont know its been long enough new players would have picked him up and not cared. I think eventually even you have to agree there more to why this killer isnt played because hur dur people played billy for instasaw.
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Coming from someone who plays Billy a lot.
He takes a lot of effort and learning to be a decent killer, and can still get completely screwed by maps. You're far more punished than other killers for mistakes, animations don't feel right. Overheating does not happen a lot, but it still lingers there and though you might not see a Billy overheat, they may have attempted far less saws to not do so.
As others have stated, if your intention is to win, it's easier to pick up nurse and learn her, or go for an anti-loop killer that doesn't require the same effort for little payout. Billy requires a lot of effort and when you compare how much effort it takes the payout is less, and many aren't happy with it.
I still love him, and I do fine in my matches, but his accessibility is not fantastic if you haven't already dedicated time to it, new players have no reason to try him out at length.
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He used to be my main.
He was the main of the friend who showed me the game years ago.
Then they've "reworked" him, sledgehammer style.
My friend doesn't play anymore and I'm not touching Billy in its current state.
That's the kind of incomprehensible moves that made me doubt the game had a future (there were others).
The really puzzling thing is that they've not reverted that massacre.
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I hate his roar before every chainsaw that they added, it sounds bad and is unnecessary
Overheat was an unnecessary addition because BHVR felt like they just had to change something and so they did, 0 good reason
At the start his reworked addons were a complete joke, at least now he has some good stuff. Some of the addons are basically the same as before the rework.
Also, I find it funny, that it was the charge time addons that were causing the most grievance for players... Yet one still exists even after the rework, granted it slows down his walking speed, but the fact that it still exists, shows that BHVR was not listening what so ever to the actual issue.
The big swing and a miss
I played DBD since the start, Billy had always been my go to, but I personally burned out on the game, play maybe a few times a week tops.
I feel like a lot of people that played Billy are just Billyed out at this point, and there are a lot of very cool killers, so I understand why newer players wouldn't pick him. The added overheat just makes his take on easy to learn hard to master and convolutes it a bit more, again for no good reasons.
As for some of your other questions
Maps, only a couple are actually unplayable that I would perma dodge, for the most part if you are efficient with curves and steering maps are not to big a deal
Looping is a mixed bag of emotions, but when is it not? *Coughs in Nurse*
I feel like he gets punished fairly when missing chainsaws, that's a skill thing between the survivor, Billy, and map awareness. However the punishment from overheat is kind of stupid, the whole overheat gimmick is stupid (I think you can see a trend here) It limits the power usage quite a bit actually, more than some people would admit. It is a poor design.
Overall, is is somewhat the same, but it is limited. You have to be much more conservative about the chainsaw usage. If you are actively using your power to traverse map and down consistently, you will feel the overheat. It was not a good change. Some cool addon ideas came from it, but they are niche and the goddam roar, please ugh.
Look at how they massacred my boy.
PS: I don't speak for every Billy main :)
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hard to play only for a very little reward if played correctly , by far one of the weaker killer but definetly one of the most fun to against , I used to played back when Overheat didnt exist and compared to now , you can overheat even while just stating to sprint / breaking pallets / or traveling , so if a survivor just keeps pre-droping pallets and you break them you will eventually overheat , why? IDK 😅 blame BHVR.
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These threads always confuse me. Maybe it's a PC/Crossplay Off thing, but Billy is literally one of my most common killers. He definitely disappeared for a long time after the rework, but at least since the beginning of this year he's always been in my Top 5 most seen killers. And I'm not just pulling that number out of nowhere, I actually keep a record of how often I see killers and survivors whenever I'm playing consistently. Maybe one, two at max, were the same person, but that still wouldn't make him "rare" compared to most killers in the game.
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Too much effort for such little reward. Bubba is way simpler, more consistent, and way less map dependent.
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Yeah, that's just bizarre. You hit anything except a survivor and it looks like his limbs pop off and get thrown up across the screen.
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They added an overheat mechanic when that wasn't the issue with him. The issue was his bonker addons which they also nerfed or got rid of so we were left with a hollow shell of what a good killer should be.
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RRRRRRRRRGH-RRR-RRRRRRGH
"GAAAAUGGH!!!!!"
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bad addons and overheat mechanic
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Too much effort and his scream is too loud. I can turn down the sound (and then miss survivor footsteps and breathing) or I can play at normal volume and help support the hearing aid industry. Or I can just not play Hillbilly. I pick option 3.
If his curving were better, I might consider Hillbilly despite the sound issues but currently way too much effort for too little return.
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"We are proud with the way the Hillbilly performs" - BHVR
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Zubatlol is one of the original "Billy mains". Let's consider Billy after he lost Flick and compare that to the current billy. Zubat said something to this effect regarding Billy with no Flick : It's usually more efficient to just hit survivors twice with the hammer; however chainsaw hits are way more fun.
Once upon a time I was a Billy main and he was the killer I decided to PIII first.
Billy has had numerous nerfs since 2016.
His addons are completely terrible now.
He has a huge delay when he bumps something (and the collision detection for the saw was changed).
The overheat mechanic ruins trying to use the saw for mobility and allowing you to use it in chases.
The scream when a saw sprint is initiated eliminates "mind games" (aside from being really annoying).
Many maps had elements added so that Billy could not "sprint" easily from one side to the other. On this note : indoor maps were an artificial way to make both Billy and Nurse weaker without directly adjusting their kit(Lerys was introduced at a time when Billy and Nurse were the top killers).
Billy used to have better steering in 2016 without addons while using controller than he does now with addons while using the mouse. This fact is just truly sad to read much less even try playing Billy now if you remember how he used to be.
The volume of the saw was never reduced for anyone playing this killer - despite numerous requests.
It's laughable that LF has an easier time hitting with his saw than Billy. Horvath - the developer who made Nurse once commented that if he had been in charge Billy would have been a 110% speed killer. In all honesty LF should probably be a 110% killer but that's a discussion for another topic.
The bottom line is that Billy isn't fun. He has never really had a counter for pallet looping and is even worse at it now than he was in the past.
A part of me thinks : Billy was nerfed because who would buy the inferior LF product when the base model was free and better.
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Just really needed to agree with 3 there. That's something he shares with all the other high tier killers. Nurse, Blight, Oni all have jarring visual impediments in their gameplay, but they get severe value out of their power. Billy players gotta be sadistic to get good enough to consistently use that thing. And that's my opinion on 3, alone.
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I used to play him a lot before his "rebalancing" (without Add Ons, so it's not like I was just abusing instasaw and dropped him as soon as that was removed).
I can confirm that the number one reason I stopped playing him almost entirely is the "barely noticeable" (as the Devs put it) overheat system. It sucked the fun straight out of him.
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Because he's a classic example of DBD devs pandering to survivor mains on Twitter.
He's worthless as a killer, the chainsaw is only useful to travel across the map once until it overheats then he's just an M1 killer again.
Bubba does basically exactly what Hillbilly used to do but 100% better except the mobility.
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Because people keep going for fancy saw hits and give up.
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It almost feels as if the devs purposefully redesigned him to be as annoying to play as possible.
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Didn't they?
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I have played him a couple of times. I get that he was one of the first killers in the game And that’s why a lot of people liked him but honestly I never liked him. He’s pretty boring to play against since a lot of people can’t play him due to Billy being super hard. And like I said he’s just hard to play. Like I saw kyto made a ranking video about with killers are fun to face and Billy was second. I personally don’t get it honestly. Although a lot of the killers like Oni and pyramid head were rank high and I agreed with that.
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