How many Survivors are gonna stop playing after the update next Tuesday?

Yes, they do, but the most effective ones were nerfed and the remaining ones mostly require the killer to be active and spreading pressure. That's a good thing.

Yep, players won't play optimally. That's both not a thing that balance can fix, and a thing that will not get worse in this upcoming patch; it's just the risk you accept when you queue up with random teammates in any game.

This one is just straight up wrong, you need more stacks of STBFL than that before it'll make an appreciable difference- Demo is also an outlier since it's the best user of STBFL by far.

OTR is a far better replacement for DS. Rather than waiting for you to get downed, you get the speed boost to get away from the killer after you're hit, enabling you to start making a play- the entire function of anti-tunnel. How is that not better than DS? Not to mention the longer timer in addition to the better effect. Still, what I want to highlight is where you said earlier that "you expect DS to be the meta perk". Well, don't? Look at your other, new, improved options? That's the whole point of this update, you've got new toys now.

Callout/Ping would be... probably not great. I'd prefer passive information that doesn't require random teammates to press buttons, but that's mostly irrelevant because this is not something that makes the game worse, it's the absence of something that'd make it better. There's a giant difference between those two things.

Thank you for getting my point. That's why I don't use NOED or play insidious bubba when I play killer. And in my experience, if you do get your 3k/4k that way, you're going to suffer in higher MMR because you got to that point not because of efficient gameplay or fast chases/winning mindgames, but because the game THINKS that if you had 3k/4k games, you must be skilled and good at the game. That's the sad reality of how MMR is working.

Same goes for survivors. I used to play in a SWF every single day for multiple hours and my MMR skyrocketed. So logically when I started playing solo Q again, the killers were the sweatiest of their kind (we're talking range/recharge nurses and blights with alchemist ring who play comp and probably never touched grass in their life JK) and I started losing every game. Because I was the "boosted" survivor and my MMR was only this high because someone else in my SWF did the looping while I was doing gens. But the only thing that matters is - I escaped via exit gate, so +mmr.

As long as the "winning" condition in the game doesn't get changed, there will always be "boosted" survivors, "boosted" killers or "carried by NOED killers" or whatever you wanna call it.

But I appreciate BHVR taking a step towards balancing the game in the next patch. Maybe in the future all the factors that truly represent skill in this game will also be included in the MMR system so it can be more accurate.

I already haven't been playing lately but I may not play for a good while after the update, unless I play killer, which seems to be the role to play. Once again, Solo Q is put on the back burner. So, either I don't play at all, or I will play the killer.

The only thing I'm not looking forward to are forever Legion matches. The matches right now already take an eternity and with buffed thana, longer gen times, and other buffed gen regression perks, these upcoming matches are going to be even more miserable for me.

My thoughts are They have done this in past not as harsh but it's to make room for new meta perks so people buy stuff new Killers new survivors or maybe they want us to play the dating game lol.

There will always be something new and better if they wanna keep making money and keep the game going on for more years.

With the game being at an all time low playerbase it's time for some big changes and they can risk it this time.

I highly Doubt AOT will do anything for this game btw.

I don't see the point of quitting however I tend not quit things I enjoy as the rage quit seems like people think they won't win as much or something and of things yet to be seen.

It will always be a great game for me as I grew up watching most of these killers and the OG killers are great

The game has a charm and certain goofiness I can not explain.

I will try how it workes, and if it doesn´t work well, i might return to playing swf, as a first step, then see how that works out.

Surviors will be fine they've got swf and still many good perks. Solo players may not enjoy it but they haven't enjoyed dbd in years.

"we are the top percentage of the player base and are supposed to win by game design due to huge experience, avoiding mistakes and almost perfect coordination."

I'm sorry but even for the forums this is a new level of entitlement and self-aggrandising nonsense. In any case I doubt 10 seconds extra gen time will do anything to discourage a god gamer like yourself.

Many talk about people who will leave after this update, but what about those who will come back ?

Steam almost peaks near 100K players per month alone, in 2016-2019 the game barely peaked at 50K. Its safe to say the game is not gonna die any time soon

lmao

we don't but it could be tomorow.

It had, except for distance. But it was downright cruel for M1 killers and so it needed to be fixed.

The new version will not be as bad but may still be ridiculous. (Although maybe for other reasons. 🤣)

True. That one may lead to a massacre, as demonstrated by CoconutRTS.

Disagree. I die in most of my games. Now I'll die in more of my games. And truthfully, that's kind of discouraging. But what's really lame, is that camping has been made easier and more rewarding. I can live with dying in a video game, but just sitting on a hook getting camped. It's already prevalent right now. It's going to be worse at the patch.

like everyone else has said, solo queue is gonna be painful. so im done playing survivor unless im playing with friends. 5 second BT and haste will do nothing, and with DS and OTR getting nerfed tunneling and camping is gonna skyrocket.

since theyre also making killer very easy (which, i never struggled when i played killer) it makes that boring too. So ill probably be done with killer after this patch as well. Bloodlust is a terrible bandaid fix to terrible RNG, which makes bad pallets even worse and it should NOT be in the game- they should just add a mechanic that will stop strong tiles from spawning together, so they can actually balance maps around fun loops & remove/rework bloodlust. And, along with their recent killer releases- theyre all fundementally just a copy and paste (aside from Sadako and Dredge) and have felt VERY uninspired and rushed.

plus the "meta rework" does nothing and didnt even change the meta. killers will still stack slowdowns (which imo the slowdown meta even got buffed) and survivors will use any iteration of a second chance perk that they can.

and finally, the devs have genuinely pushed to make the game as mind numbingly boring as possible. Map design is terrible and most new maps have unmindgamable main buildings/pallets, reworked maps have too many deadzones, breakable walls (which completely double backed on the mid chapter that fixed annoying god windows in old structures), most killers are chase dominant which push unmindgamable lose-lose scenarios for survivors and results in the very fun "predrop and W key" meta, perk design is attrocious (the best perks are passive slowdowns for no effort as killer and "press a button to outplay" perks for survivor, while the rest are garbage) and survivor mechanics are just... boring. the most fun part of the game is the chases, so why are they nerfing them?

oh, and this game doesnt even have any type of grind reward. you get nothing for the time you put in, and cant show off what character you like the most (aside from a mediocre prestige icon). there needs to be more exclusive rewards for playing the game for a long time, and its mind boggling that the devs are so scared to implement ANY reward for playing the game (like, getting to prestige 100 should give you a full exclusive outfit for the character, and devotion needs to actually do something).