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Kill Switch update: We have temporarily Kill Switched the Forgotten Ruins Map due to an issue that causes players to become stuck in place. The Map will remain out of rotation until this is resolved.

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This update finally drove me to uninstall DBD

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  • Marik1987
    Marik1987 Member Posts: 1,700
    edited July 2022

    Lol Im Rank Iri 1 on both sides every month. This maybe doesnt show skill, but it shows the time I put into the game on both sides. Today I am Iri IV on Killer and Silver II on Survivor

  • MrMori
    MrMori Member Posts: 1,917

    Honestly I wouldn't mind kindred basekit. But as long as the killer aura reading doesn't stack with Open Handed for everyone in the game for all hooks if only one guy has it.

  • Sumnox
    Sumnox Member Posts: 605

    Unless you can prove it through DBD stats, using one of those webs that keep track of it, I have to simply assume you're lying, like many others do very often.

  • InvadeGames
    InvadeGames Member Posts: 458

    killer camps someone on hook. takes 2 mins to bleed out from stage 1. 3 survivors get on 3 gens. 3 gens get done before that guy dies. you have just hurt the killer for doing so.

    when a killer is camping and survivors keep trying to save, you are rewarding the killer for doing so. there are perks that make it easy to tell from a distance if a killer is camping.

    Dont reward an easily counterable playstyle if you dislike it.

    the games I get where there is an actual camper, if the team keeps trying to save, we lose, if they do gens we win. Its literally that simple.


    and perhaps you really are encountering all this camping, but i play plenty of survivors and actual campers or actual tunnelers are MAYBE 10% of games.

    and I know for a fact people call camping or tunneling rather frequently on situations that are not either.

  • AvengerBear
    AvengerBear Member Posts: 100

    No? Where did you see survivors are having fun? I only see killers are having fun, not survivors. Are you not seeing the overwhelming amount of survivors voiced the awful solo q experiences over the past couple days?

  • Marik1987
    Marik1987 Member Posts: 1,700
    edited July 2022

    After today I have to agree. I think the killer buffs are too much. But we should observe this over the next 2 weeks.

    Chase-Buff (10% faster pallet breaking etc. and cooldown after hit) is probably enough, because it helps M1-Killers the most.

    But: I am sure the devs will react if that what I saw today (i won all games with Freddy, ALL... with this bad killer.... unreal) continues.

    If the kill rates raise too much, they will react. I believe that.

  • Gary_Coleman
    Gary_Coleman Member Posts: 732

    Bullying is the way to go. Isn't that what Yoda said? You're like Yoda.

  • Gary_Coleman
    Gary_Coleman Member Posts: 732

    If you enjoy being chased, that is. Not everyone uses a chase build and not everyone agrees with you that being chased is the funnest aspect of playing survivor. I've played plenty of games where I do every gen while the 3 kids run around like monkeys, only to have those monkeys leave me on a hook and escape without me. Which is a big reason why I don't want to play dbd anymore, among other reasons.

  • Ghouled_Mojo
    Ghouled_Mojo Member Posts: 2,286

    Lol. Damn. You came at me pretty aggressive for having fun. I’ve never been one to run in a straight line. Literally. I’ve got a bum leg.

  • Salacia
    Salacia Member Posts: 51

    In pu = no discord, how can you tell others that the killer camp?

    Especially since camp killers very often use the undetectable perk if motionless, if BHVR wanted to stop the camp he would have already removed the perk, is that the case? no so he encourages the ultra toxic behavior (harassment) of the camp.

  • InvadeGames
    InvadeGames Member Posts: 458

    you dont need communication like discord to do so. i dont play swf. If I am far from the person getting hooked, i know someone else is closer to them and the responsibility lies with them to attempt the unhook. if i am going for the unhook and the killer is by the hook and my goal is not to hook trade i can either bait into a chase and if sucessful leave the hook and allow someone else to get a safe unhook OR, realise hes going to stay by the hook and go do a gen.


    Its not hard.

    if your team mates cant understand basic gameplay and counterplay in a situation where the simple counterplay can be extremely punishing to the killer, thats the fault of the survivor not the killer.

  • Salacia
    Salacia Member Posts: 51

    Very often a survivor tries to dehook except that he falls, you manage to do 5 generators at 2? No and the worst the survivor camp derank > double punishment for him, is it normal that the survivor has double punishment because of a big noob killer? answer no.

  • ACleverName4Me
    ACleverName4Me Member Posts: 451
  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,093

    Correct. But it's to early to come to a final conclusion about overall gen speed. Killers that used pop, corrupt and ruin might have gotten more overall gen time before the patch then what they get now with those perks. Despite the kick bonus and the additional gen time.

    Biggest issue I see right now in my survivor matches is, that my teammates actively refuse to do the objective. Had a match where I completed a full gen solo, got 2 unhooks, 3 heals + a chase in the time it took the rest of the team to complete a single gen.

  • IronKnight55
    IronKnight55 Member Posts: 3,104
    edited July 2022

    I've uninstalled. I played a few games to see if I may have been wrong about everything, but I wasn't. This game is garbage as a solo player. I've seen nothing but Blights, Nurses and Spirits using slowdown perks and tunneling/camping as well. I don't think I will ever play this game again. It's the worst experience I've ever had playing this game.

  • DyingWish92
    DyingWish92 Member Posts: 807
    edited July 2022

    Nope every killer has games where the gens get done in 4-5 minutes. Otz all the way down to a brand new player. Its map rng, survivor spawns, and gen efficiency. Sometimes there is nothing the killer can do about it. Sometimes the killer plays bad and sometimes they don't. The "skill issue" answer is a cop out argument for issues with the game.

  • SmarulKusia
    SmarulKusia Member Posts: 819

    The kill-rates weren't falling, the kill rates averaged mostly at 50% (some above, some below), but even for those above, the devs have stated they want the kill rates.. higher..

  • Lukepro2315
    Lukepro2315 Member Posts: 52
    edited July 2022

    Dude im sorry to say that, but by complaining here, you will achieve nothing. This toxic community will only laugh at you, be rude at you, bully you and makes YOU the bad person, because of your complains. And nothing else will change by the way.

    My advice? - Do same thing as i did - Say good bye (expect to be laught at, wich makes leaving this game even more easier), uninstall it, and never play it again. If most of unsatisfied players will do this, maybe that will be the only way for BHVR to notice, that something is wrong. I sacrificed to this game a lot of money, 6 years of life, over 3k hours of play time, and by this patch? Im done with it. Im just grabbing popcorn and "watch this ship sink". :)

    Fortunately we live at time, when DBD is not ONLY ONE assymetrical game about "killers and survivors", so go no, give chance to another one, and maybe you will be supriced, when you find one wich is not so...(how to say it and not be rude?) :D "destroyed" by their own developers, and funnier than DBD. :)

    I wish you luck bro & have nice day. :)

  • Triplehoo
    Triplehoo Member Posts: 819

    Ok. Bye

  • Gorgonia
    Gorgonia Member Posts: 1,607

    My godson started playing killer today for the rift because he got stomped as a solo Q surv. Lvl 1 doctor, every game was 3-4k.

  • JibbyNeutron
    JibbyNeutron Member Posts: 208

    Show me a match where this happened to Otz without him casually just experimenting something, doing meme builds or actually just doing mistakes. There is none. 4 Minutes games are a skill issue of the Killer

  • Vetrathene
    Vetrathene Member Posts: 1,425

    Yep! Killer is easier just like I've always wanted it to be so I don't feel like driving hot pokers under my eyelids, and survivor is more challenging so I'm not just falling asleep the whole match.

  • DBD78
    DBD78 Member Posts: 3,583

    Well it's just a game. No one can force you to play the game if you don't like it. A lot of us feel the game is much better now so.

  • Firellius
    Firellius Member Posts: 5,465

    Mm, yes, because second chance perks were the only thing that got changed. It's definitive proof that UB, DS, BT and DH were the sole reason survivors were able to beat you.

    Thankfully, UB got massively nerfed, BT got massively nerfed, DS didn't get replaced by a more egregious perk.

    And of course, there's no other changes muddying the data. Killers didn't get increased action speeds, baseline gen regression, faster bloodlust stacking, shorter attack cooldowns. Survivors didn't get their on-hit speed boost reduced. None of that.

    It couldn't possibly be that survivors start a match off in perfect fighting condition and things then slow down dramatically after first down. It's not at all an option that you just didn't manage to capitalise on anything you accomplish to take the momentum out of the survivors' sails.

    It's never your fault. You are the killer. You are the power role. Which means you are infallible! You are the best player in every trial! Survivors winning is purely a product of an unbalanced game that heavily favours survivors, and you losing couldn't possibly be because -you- didn't play well enough. It couldn't be because -you- made mistakes.

    It's those gosh darn second chance perks, I tell you hwat.

  • fogdonkey
    fogdonkey Member Posts: 1,567

    For me, a killer / soloQ player, this update is bad for these reasons:

    - The killer queue time has become long instead of instant.

    - The solo survivor has become harder in my personal experience.

  • LittleBigSunset
    LittleBigSunset Member Posts: 259
    edited July 2022

    I know this is a few days late but I saw this just now and feel obligated to respond. I am not complaining about the killer QoL changes. I think all things considered the changes are fully justified and not overkill at all because, as I stated, too many killers were getting easily genrushed. My problem, if you'd read my post properly, is that the killers in my games were taking advantage of these changes to tunnel and camp harder than before, when the purpose behind the changes was to instead discourage tunnelling and camping by providing more time for the killer to chase/patrol instead of getting genrushed. It was an incredibly offputting experience and killed the hope I had that my experience as a survivor would change for the better, because I was experiencing this a lot already.

    Yes, solo queue was already bad before the update. Amazingly, it's now even worse than before. The only QoL change that solo queue players get is a 5 second BT that the killer knows you have and can be easily waited out. That doesn't discourage tunnelling. The one 'second chance' perk that did discourage it, DS, got nerfed so hard with a reduction to the stun time that it no longer seems worth running at all. And killers know this, so now they will be encouraged to tunnel even more because they know it is very unlikely that they get punished by it. Aside from this, survivors get nothing in terms of QoL changes, so really they got nothing at all. Would a base kit kindred really be that hard to implement? Or being able to see each other's loadouts before a game? Some attempt to bring the QoL of solo queue up a bit while the killer experience is improved tremendously?

    Yes, the perk changes are nice and I am glad that BHVR are attempting to shake up the meta. It was very stale before. But with tunnelling and camping still being at the core of the game I feel like you cannot afford to run these new changed perks as a solo queue player. I have to run BT because the base kit BT is too insufficient to make an impact to counter camping or tunnelling. I have to run Kindred because I need to have some idea of what my teammates are doing, and coordination is essential now due to the increased gen times and shorter chases brought on by the QoL changes for killer (which, I must emphasise, I think are ultimately a good thing for the game!). I am strongly incentivised to run the new Off the Record as it is essentially the DS replacement. And then I'm left with a single perk slot, which'll have to go to an exhaustion perk to try and prolong chases. Essentially although survivors are presented with more options, they are really only able to run a few options if they want to survive in matches. This is something I was hoping would change. There is no way I'm going to run say Deja Vu or Pharmacy over BT and Kindred because they simply are not worth it in this new meta.

    And I am a fan of Off-meta perks. My typical build is BT, Kindred, Balanced Landing and Diversion. There is nothing better in this game than tricking a killer with a pebble or if nothing else throwing one at them in the face of death.

    With these points, I genuinely find it difficult to find a positive change for survivors in this update. Forget Dead Hard. That is probably one of the only survivor perk changes I am pleased with because they nerfed it from being ridiculously OP while still keeping it a viable choice for an exhaustion perk if you understood how to use the perk well. I have never relied on it or the perks that got nerfed in this update so in theory I should be unaffected. In chase I am not affected whatsoever. It is the killers I am facing and how they play that demoralised me to the point of uninstalling. I was already frustrated with the game and desperate for change. I feel as though this new meta has unfortunately only encouraged more of the same strategies used by killers. I shared my experience, I did not make a post screaming that "I am uninstalling! This game is ****! Killer OP!". I said that I was uninstalling and explained why politely and clearly and prompted people to give insight into how they were finding the game because I thought for a moment I may be going mad. But having looked at the forums I see my consensus is a common one (at least, on the forums). I don't need to be coddled. There was just no need for you to respond in the way you did.

    TLDR: This new meta only encourages camping and tunnelling further while making solo queue matches even harder to do well in. I welcome the QoL changes - but it is the way that killers are using them to tunnel and camp even harder, knowing they are much more likely to not be punished for it, that frustrates me and drove me to uninstall after playing for five years (though I will probably be back). This meta in fact discourages survivors from experimenting with new builds as the few anti-tunnelling options available are needed more than ever, even though the QoL changes made should have discouraged this. While the killer experience is improved tremendously (as it should have been), the solo survivor experience is made even worse.