So what was the purpose In making self care unusable?

It’s still just as good as before with botany knowledge which was 28 seconds if I remember correctly. I agree though there was no point in nerfing it when medkits are still overpowered

Healing indefinitely at high speed made getting hit nearly irrelevant.

To me, replacing a meta is already an act of shaking this up.=)

I don't see that much OTR in my matches, I actually see survivors using almost ALL kind of perks, I even created a thread about it.

To change the meta, as they stated very clearly.

There were a lot of common survivor perks that weren't necessarily "OP" but got nerfed. There were a lot of common killer perks that weren't necessarily "OP" but got nerfed.

For now, I'd say they BHVR succeeded in their goal. I'm having a lot more fun trying out various builds than before for both sides (minus the fact that I still feel constrained to Kindred and/or Bond as a Solo Survivor).

Then don't complain about being tunneled. If I'm not allowed to ever lose (or drop to defend a gen) chase, then I'm not going to give you up.

If the killer identifies someone with a really strong healing setup, the best strategy is to remove them. If an injured surv can be nearly instantly healed on demand, the amount of them sink that creates is inconsistent with being able to win. It's why CoH was such a problem, especially for certain hit and run killers.

But I think the real reason they making self-care unusable is the same uncomplicated reason they nerfed most of these other perks: because they don't want people to use them as much. They want us to use other things. They pretty much explicitly said so.

I continue to be surprised by how many people are perplexed as to why these perks were crippled; that was the point.

And frankly I think self care is/was more of a problem for survivors, because on its own it was/is a massive timesink. I hated teammates who ran self care.

First off, then dont' lose chase. Second. Self Care wasn't a "High Speed" healing perk for yourself. It literally was double the amount of time somebody else healing was. Your logic is flawed. If you're going to complain about SC you might as well complain and whine about green med kits as well

"Self Care wasn't a "High Speed" healing perk"

Let's consider time as a function of action economy; it is important to to note that the survivors have 4x the time economy of the killer.. One person at 32 seconds is the same as two people at 16 seconds. Either action makes you lose 32 seconds not spent on generators.

Up until great checks got changed (they were 2.4 seconds per and were reduced to 1.2 each last year) you could often get 2-3 great checks and heal at near the same speed as someone healing you. The increased frequency of skill checks was of course triggered by Spine Chill - RIP.

If someone needs to run for 10 seconds over to you to heal then the 16 second heal just became a 26 second heal. Wow look at how the efficiency changes. However if you both teleported to the same location then travel time becomes zero.

Also if you had Iron Will you were at zero risk for the killer to hear you healing from super far away. If you had spine Chill there was zero chance a killer could sneak up on you with Nurse's Calling.

So while on a surface level, IW, SC and SC looked like a noob build it was incredibly synergistic.

I don't complain about gen rushing, I either use a mobile killer or heavy regression.

And I personally don't tunnel unless its very late game and I have little choice, and I don't camp until the end game when there are no other objectives to defend. But if "don't lose chase" is the solution for insta healing, then you have to expect that time lost to undropped chases to be accounted for somewhere else.

Not dropping chases to defend a gen or other objective, or dropping chase only to have the surv fully healed 10 seconds later (thereby having wasted all the time spent in that chase) is not a tenable choice for most killers trying to win.

And FTR I play survivor just as much or more than killer, I just understand that there are two sides to every coin, and have more than a half informed opinion.

that is called power-creeping. its when you make an new perk that is better than old one but performs same function. the objective of their changes was to weaken the meta perks on both sides. If you do not think self-care+botany is good enough for you, than do not use it.

Yea... bad game design

But Self Care in of itself is to encourage teammates to heal each other

Yes, there is, the guy who insist to heal you right at the hook despite the fact the killer did returned to the hook every single time so far in this match.