Survivors Losing Their Minds

I am actually really curious if it's really THAT bad as so many are claiming. I wanted to wait until the Halloween Event (the new rift doesn't interest me at all and I have lots of other games to play atm), but I will give it a go this weekend, cause part of me just doesn't want to believe that the game got so damn bad. I will try some killer too and see If a potato like me can get kills.

Except your MMR rating for survivor will be low so of course you will be running into easier matches. When a survivor main complains its because they have higher MMR and are running into good killers that were able to get consistent downs before this update. Now its 4k almost every game. Killer mains have gotten buffs or seen survivor nerfs for the last 4 patches and they are still complaining. Also, stop saying that DH is the reason people are complaining. Its about the base buffs to killer and the fact that they nerfed almost nothing for their perks.

Agreed. I wish this had all been factored in with solo queue improvements together as one update, because it would definitely be the most balanced this game has been in ages, if not ever.

But until that day, solo queue is overall abysmal at the moment. Sure, some people are doing good, or staying the same, and some are complaining because they were boosted. But I'd wager to say a bigger amount of survivors have complaints for valid reasons.

I'm now actually glad that I have never really ran DH, because I think a huge part of this is people who had it engrained into their muscle memory. A lot of players are going to re-map their gameplay brain, and that's not a quick process.

I bet there are many out there still hitting the DH key/button reflexively because they are so used to it (hell, for the last few months I've been playing Elden Ring and DBD, and on many occasions tried to roll/backstep in DBD when the killer swung at me, and then had a good laugh at myself). Someone who has run DH in every loadout for years (and you can't really blame them for having done it) is going to feel absolutely naked without it.

A lot of "unlearning" is going to have to be done; you can still loop, but not in the same way, you can't take the same chances, and you can't greed extra loops/pallets anymore.

The entire meta has been disrupted, particularly (but not exclusively) on the surv side, and there is going to be a rough adjustment period for people. But it will pass, and those who don't leave will find success with whatever the new meta turns out to be.

Overreaction at it's best.

I agree with you, that killers got stronger, yes, I get it. But don't you think survivors just didn't get used to changes yet? Didn't come up with new working meta, or just good synergy perks, new strategy to play?

You're an old player. You've been in some changes before. I'm 100% sure you can create a new meta yourself and go ham on matches.

Just take some time and try to play, yes, update isn't perfect, maybe even far from perfect, but what it provides? Diversity which all wanted, I'm sure of it.

How many times are you gonna boast on the forums about killer being stupid easy now because of the update?

I don't think survivors are losing their minds at all. They are reacting to very real concerns. Let's take a look at a few things.

1.) Killers complained for years. Some of this was legitimate, some was not. Of particular concern: there were too many godloops (or even high tier loops), too many maps favored survivors, too many perks gave survivors extra chances to escape chases, gens popped too quickly, flashlights were too effective (pre adjustment), hooks were too far apart making sabotage too strong, maps were too dark making blendette a reality, etc. While many of these issues were compounded by SWF groups, killers still felt like they were very weak against survivors. In every single one of these instances, developers addressed the issue to favor the killer.

2.) Developers used to have a standard of 2k, 2e. 50% kill rate. Because killers, in your own words, "lost their mind," developers decided to increase their expectations for this amount. In a recent letter/data dump, they revealed that the rate is now up to 60% kill rate. They still said that they were unhappy with this number. I do not think that they want to increase it that much, but my guess is that they want to try to hit a rate of 3k, 1e.

3.) Having made all of these subtle, minute changes, they realized that killers were still getting their *** handed to them by skilled SWF groups. In some streams, the developers didn't even believe it! When faced with how powerful these SWF groups can be, the developers were stunned. Therefore, they decided to implement even more changes to assist killers.

So what's the problem? The data also shows that the vast majority of players are not a 4man SWF. Many are solo q, a large percentage are 2 man groups, and some 3. Additionally, and perhaps most surprising of all, they decided against an incremental approach where they can gather data, view the changes, and adjust as needed. Instead, they went nuclear: not only were they going to drastically shake up the meta (much needed, in my opinion), but they were also going to buff killers.

Some thought was put into how to prevent tunneling and camping, as that has easily become the most dominant strategy for the vast majority of killers (or, at the very least, tunnel 1-2 out so that the gens wouldn't pop so quickly). Unfortunately, by keeping hook timers the same and by increasing the overall average time to complete gens by 50%, they in fact buffed camping and tunneling.

As a result, we now have a situation where survivors--especially the majority in solo q or a smaller group, are now being repeatedly clobbered by killers. Killers are still camping and tunneling with impunity because, for many, getting the 4k is the most important thing in the world (as a random wondering, could this be due to the fact that they have increasingly added extra objectives for survivors in an effort to slow the game down while not doing likewise for the killer?).

Nowhere did I say that killers did not need to be buffed. Nowhere did I say that survivors did not need a meta shakeup.

But the fact that survivors are "losing their mind" (especially if you took a moment to read what they are really saying) points out a very real problem that the devs refuse, so far, to address.

"Death of survivors, perks are bad."

And yet here I am playing with Sprint Burst, Adrenaline, Blast Mine, and Urban Evasion (or Stake Out) and still doing just fine.

On Steamcharts,

September 2021 the game was "stable" following August 2021 with 51K players on average.

In the past 24 hours this game had 51K players at peak. Not average, peak.

Day 1 of this new midchapter update has 68K players at peak. Day 2, 55K players at peak, Day 3 51K players at peak. 2 more days like this and we'll be below the numbers before the midchapter. It'll take less than a week to completely negate any playercount gain from this update. The next update is in what, 6-8 weeks? If this game can't even retain a post-update growth of players for a week how well will that bode for the future of it?