Survivors need to get a grip.

the thing is that when gens or whatever gets changed, the playerbase then finds the easiest solution to counter it. like as your seeing now, gens got increased slightly which was a boring change and i think could of done better, but because of that, survivors are now stacking PT all together.

so the gens are now probably faster if your not using thana or whatever. but then killers will see survivors doing that and they will counter that by using thana and other slowdowns instead of using more fun perks.

BHVR is the problem here, not really the playerbase

Just because they still haven´t seen a streamer recommend those perks...

Some may say though quality over quantity. You have to admit that some of those survivor perks either require a time sink to get them activated, were given a nerf, or were previously not good at all.

Overall, BT would get a buff of 3 seconds more endurance and while the speed boost is nice, it's not like they get a full sprint burst away from hook, just a good boost to get somewhere safe so they're not tunneled.

BK was buffed for SWF and altruistic heals, but got the hefty penalty to medkits, which is a decent trade off, but probably still one of the better survivor buffs.

Deja Vu is a nice temporary buff for survivors, although its active time is 60 seconds.

Distortion and Lucky Break still have to be refilled. Distortion is easier to refill on certain maps, but lucky break requires a time sink of healing others. So you get 16 seconds back for one heal, which in certain builds could let you escape a chase, but it's still time sink.

OTR is easy to tell a survivor has it and it either renders the survivor useless for 80 seconds if they want to keep endurance or you just hit them early and let them run off (or just tunnel them if they use it offensively to put themselves in a bad position).

Overzealous was barely worth it on its own before and still is barely worth it. The hex bonus is nice, but even then the killer knows where you were so theres a chance you'll get hit.

WGLF to my knowledge doesn't stack. Which is a bummer. So it requires activation and you can't even build up stacks to save multiple slugs.

Yeah survivors got things done to their perks, but a lot of them still come with downsides or time sinks or limited activation periods.

I play both side and all killer mains now saying get good or the childish way git gud are on a power trip right now but if they don't cool it they going get they new toy nerf.

Yeah I understand that. I can agree that a lot of people are overreacting, but at least for me, I have noticed that the pacing of the game is a little different for the "normal" games. So the games that seem like everyone is trying and are at least average to decent players.

In my personal experience, these games that I have post patch will generally have 1 survivor dead by the time there's either 1-1.5 gens left, which pre-patch it felt like there might be one survivor dead when we're finishing up the final gen. Which, makes sense if theres going to be base 50 second more gen time.

In the games that aren't just stacked slow down or people giving up and DC/Suicide on hook, I have noticed this very small change which makes logical sense and would fit the "need to raise the kill rate a little bit."

I definitely think the casual and soloq player suffers more because they aren't used to all the small changes which give the killer a little more edge in chase, hence why people are really "feeling it." It also doesn't help when people stop doing gens to hide or run around or heal every time they're injured. I have found that healing now needs to be strategic and can't just be every time you're injured.

The only killer perk that I think needs to be reined in a little bit is eruption. Pain res is a little rough feeling sometimes, but even that I think is fine if it's not paired with other regression/slowdown.

Survivors are probably just complaining a lot because now survivors can't really stack second chance perks, but killer can still stack regression/slowdown.

I personally didn't use second chance perks pre patch (unless it was a rough night) so I haven't been affected too much. In fact, I've kind of been enjoying buffed No One Left Behind and using Desperate Measures. They're both feel good perks and I haven't run unbreakable since the update since no one is really slugging much.

This is how disconnected you are from what is actually being presented as feedback.

You start out your thread with what is not being complained about. It’s not the 10 seconds, it’s that stacking of the SAME effect on different perks. Not only does this promote boring gameplay but it is also affecting what is already a problem: Camping and Tunneling.

You may see that as “crying” so are we to also say that you were crying when old DH was still here and you heard about it on the daily too? Stop with the non sense threads and at least understand what the things that are being complained about are actually about.

Thana legion before the patch was a mild annoyance compared to the ones I've been facing post-patch with slowdows STACKED onto each other. Yeah, that was totally not the dev's intention to "shake up the meta" so killers wouldn't need to bring 4 slowdowns but here we are seeing it being used and abused ^^

I already shared my 46 minute long legion game experience, but for your better understanding: Hex plaything, Hex pentimento, thana, scourge hook gift of pain (that also got a buff recently - so paired with thana you're screwed either way, whether you heal or not).

For your even better understanding: I played solo Q and I'm sure my teammates were solos as well.

This legion got a 4k, no doubt about that. Since solo Q sucks on its own, it sucks even more if your teammates have no idea what to do in certain situations and stand there like a deer in headlights. What I mean by that is, we had 2 boon perks on our team (I had 1 and a teammate, so I wasn't the only one able to boon a hex totem), yet for some reason the 2 Mikaelas on my team still decided to break the plaything totems even after we KNEW it was pentimento.

How am I supposed to work around that as a solo survivor? I'm sitting on a gen for what feels like ages and my teammates are being more helpful to the legion than to their team giving him more pentimento stacks.

I never said it was the killer's fault, all I said was that this patch was meant to shake up the meta. Survivors had to suck it up and accept their fav meta being gone so now I see a huge perk variety in my games. But all killers I've encountered still brought all slowdown perks.

Someone clearly doesn't play solo-queue, solo-queue was promised a buff in January BEFORE a killer buff was put in play, cuz solo-queue is a nightmare where there's a higher chance to have you teammates run around like chickens with their head cut off and low chance to have good gen pressuring teammates. Not every survivor used DH as a crutch, this is the situation where so many (thankfully not all) killers thought every SWF team they played against was out to get them and destroy their family and relationships.

Guess what, there's far more solo-queue than SWFs, but guess what survivors got ######### over this update. SWF can hold their own but solo-queue is begging for scraps at this point. Not every SWF is a bully squad, how incompetent do you have to be to not get that through your thick skull. If the game affected you the point where you were having bad thoughts, you should take a break.

Like holy, this is entire situation is bull, I could care less about SWF, DH, ect. but when almost every match is a killer tunneling, camping, or slugging at 5 gens then no wonder survivors don't wanna play this game anymore. 5 second BT? Devs must really thought that was gonna do great against the people who already waited out 12 second BT, but sure.

I already saw a few posts talking about killer queue times being long, and they're just gonna keep getting longer.

I personally don't care if I win or lose, but don't come prancing around saying things like survivors just are upset cuz their precious DH is gone. OTR doesn't even compare to DS cuz both perks suck now. Buff after buff killers have received during these most recent updates. The best things survivors have gotten since last year was the mori nerf and boons, but only one of the boons is actually viable out of the 4.

I honestly don't care about 10 extra seconds on gens, what my concerns are as I play solo q it is the muppets I am put with. Those who throw on the first hook at 5 gens, DC when they get first down and those who run to find the killer at the beginning of the game. What the heck is going on and what the hell is the point of you queuing up in lobbies just to do this it's awful. As anyone else had this experience lately.