Stop saying DH got nerfed

DH objective did get nerfed. It's no longer a generically good at extending chases. You actually have to time the dead hard to get the extra health state and it doesn't work when you are already in deep wounds meaning some killers are good at countering dead hard innately.

It's still strong, against Killers which have fast attacks like Nurse, Blight, Oni, Billy, Huntress, Trickster, Pig, Pyramid Head, etc.. it's easy to time against them and get a free speed boost to another safe area.

It removed the stupid part where the Killer and Survivor got into a stare match against who will lunge or dead hard first.

How much time do you think dead hard added to a chase on average and how many survivors brought it? If the current exhaustion perks don't buy as much time in chase then the survivor team has lost time to do things.

.5 Ms and lower buffs to things are helpful yes, but they wouldn't suddenly be the difference between a killer curb stomping a game in the first 2 minutes or not. Which according to the forums is what is happening.

If you had to either revert dead hard or the 10 sec+ other minor buffs I would bet money most killers would say revert the times and keep dead hard dead.

As you can see by this forum, survivors don't want to adapt to changes, don't want to try other perks. They got used to DH so much, they forgot how to loop without it, so they can't extend the chases by 1 button anymore. They getting salty and tilted. They finding exuses in "tunneling" or "killer buffs".

Other survivors are indeed a good survivors who still doing great, they escape killers the same way as before, they trying to find new builds they play smart.

Seems like you're the one of them, and I like you.

I would say DH is definitely nerfed. It is correct that IF dead hard works, then it is better, because the killer doesnt just whiff and the survivor gains 4m, instead the killer wipes, while the survivor gets a 2 sec speed boost. BUT it is way harder to pull as you require almost perfect timing (hello dedicated servers) and as killer it became way easier to outplay. No value at windows and dropped pallets as you cant vault during the endurance effect, no distance anymore... so the better value when successful is not compensating the loss of situations where you successfully can trigger it.

nah, this part is still there, especially once you know the survivor has it.

tunneling wasn't buffed? BT was kinda basekit before because nearly everyone ran it so this hasnt changed a lot. and since BT is kinda always there now (you dont know if you should wait 5 sec, 15 sec or 80... so just hit instantly) near an unhook you now have the option between a healthy survivor or an injured enduring survivor. same effort to down, so kinda obvious that you should go for the guy you can kill or put to dead on hook if you play it efficiently rather than fun and fair. this part makes the decision to tunnel easier. and regarding the DS nerf... I dont think we have to discuss. this is objectively making tunneling way easier and is an explicit buff to tunneling.

Before the update:

"Oh he got unhooked is there a BT? No bt, does he have DS? No ds... Ez tunnel boy"

After the update:

"He got unhooked and gonna move with haste to this paller\window, I can't wait this 5 seconds, I have to hit him"

*hit the survivor*

"Now I need to chase him again"

I'm literally starting to have a BS with such comments as "Tunneling is easy now".

Dear survivor, please get real. Tunneling is much harder and unefficient to do now.

Tunneling's exactly the same as it was before. I don't consider that a good thing, because I wanted the update to make survivors more resistant to it, but anything you could do with BT or DS is in Off the Record now. (For DS and BT, well... DS is worse now, but DS + OTR is better than old DS + old BT unless you get hit straight off the hook.) It's the exact same reliance on a meta perk to save survivors from tunneling, but the perk does a decent if imperfect job - if anything, I think OTR is a bit better for getting away from the killer than DS was. The only issue is that not every survivor has switched over to it yet, and half of them still have BT and are expecting everyone else to have BT.

The choice between a healthy survivor and an injured survivor with Endurance hasn't changed either. If anything, it used to be a guarantee that the injured survivor would not have Endurance if you waited 12s, but they probably still will now, so you could go after the healthy one now if they're closer because it's 2 hits either way. Or you go for the one that's closer to being dead, but that's the original problem with tunneling and how the dominant strategy is empirically unfun, and again the one they failed to address in a meaningful way.

And when it comes to endgame and how DS is disabled there... I never considered that tunneling. So I'm not seeing the explicit buff here.

Seeing the "buff" Pharmacy and Calm Spirit received I bet Adrenaline will be buffed like this, it triggers at the start of the match but kills you on use.

if you dont wanna argue... ok

can just repeat, if 5 seconds of haste is enough to reach a safe spot, then 12 seconds are surely enough. this is not a 7% speedboost, this is a 140% time boost. you know what killers do when survs start to bodyblock or sabo? change direction, and survs can do the same, then body block you too when moving properly. if you cant outplay the current basekit BT then I guess we dont have to argue

and the way you argue... I can do it the same. "Post update, if I try to tunnel a guy, then he is dead no matter what". pre patch survivors sometimes managed to survive several gens with old BT/DS combo and post patch havent found those yet

and I dont say DS is gonna stop him, I just say DS did a better job. btw Im talking from a killers POV, not a survivors ;)

I've read what you wrote, I don't want to argue.=)

Survivors would love that change too cool. We should make a petition to removed all those damn killer buffs then.

DH got nerfed

OTR is essentially the new DS. They swapped one meta anti-tunnel perk for another. Personally, I like OTR more than I ever liked DS.

As for the gens, that doesn't directly affect tunneling, just makes killer easier/survivor harder in general. It's a buff to camping because the anti-camp strategy has always been to do gens while the killer isn't bothering to defend them, and this makes stuff like basement Bubba more viable, but I don't see that as directly adjacent to tunneling, because tunneling doesn't have a set timer, just the strength of whoever's looping versus the strength of the killer.

Like, I'm not going to deny that killer got a big buff this patch or that BHVR failed to address tunneling, but I don't see tunneling in and of itself as any stronger or weaker than it was before. Which is still very strong, and I don't like that, but saying tunneling is stronger because DS got nerfed is false.

Tunneling did got buffed no ds as threat anymore I tried one game to tunnel did it in less than 2 minutes and felt bad but I had to see how powerful it is now.

I like the new dh I just think making it 0.5 was a bit overkill with the latency of the game, it's so unpredictable it should have been left at 1 second, plus the animation is longer than the actual effect... it's laughable how half assed the change was.

Dude killers didn't ask for faster kicking or recovery they asked for the dead hard nerf. If you removed the 10% faster stuff killers got y'all dead hard crutching survivors would be slugs STILL because you're not good without it.