The new hook system is one of the worst changes to the game in years

It's funny that the most broken perk, DS, got an unintended Buff.

I'm seeing so many non obsession DS's too, kind of discourages me from playing killer entirely when I have to waste time in a chase just for even the non obsession DS user to get off my shoulder or someone to block the hook and then I've to start the chase all over again.

Yeah this is BS now that you mentioned it. I do see more DS and people can easily coordinate to go somewhere that there isn't a hook. Wasn't this the original sabo problem way back? Before I played.

So they passively buff DS and make it even more useful. Their way of making the useless hook offerings matter is by basically making it so the killer needs to use them just to have things the default way it used to be.

In a normal match anywhere other than the newb ranks. Having someone wiggle loose even once is an epic fail and going to cause you problems. They actually want to encourage it happening MORE?

The only time I've had issues with hooks being too far away is on the map "The Game". Even that is rare though.

@The_Crusader said:
Or revert the hooks. Either way please stop tampering with them until the DS problem is fixed first.

Considering hooks could spawn 10 feet apart from eachother before this change Id rather them stay the way they are now. Plus, DS without being the obsession was actually useless (Because all the hooks were right next to eachother) and you shouldnt be forced into having a useless perk because of RNG.

If people wanna bring DS, they should be allowed to because they used up 1 of their 4 perk slots for something that gives them 4s of escape time.

DS isnt just an end-all do-all perk, its just annoying, not game breaking. In a ton of the rank 1 survivor matches I play I hardly ever see people bring DS anymore and even if they do, it hardly ever wins the game for them unless they save it til the gates are powered.

@KoolaidInMyCup said:

@The_Crusader said:
Yes, 4 seconds. DS only ever buys you 4 seconds /sarcasm.

I've seen people get looped for an extra few gens after using DS. It all depends on how good the player is and where DS is used. If can buy then time to make it to the next set of loops.

The killer could break chase but at that poijt they've wasted so much time already and got absolutely no pressure out of it since no hook.

"It all depends on how good the player is" It all depends on how good the killer is. Im a rank 1 survivor and I see people get [BAD WORD] destroyed on the daily by hella good killers even IF they do bring DS because like I said, all the good players at rank 1 are hardly ever even bringing DS. Your complaint to me seems more like a rank 10-20 thing which in all honesty this game should be balanced around rank 1 not 20.

If youre struggling with getting looped by DS'ing survivors then try watching this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8u0jRxN2kQ

Good players never deny the potential that DS has. Its why most of them will either target people other than the obsession when possible, and slug them if necessary. The biggest problem with it isn't the fact that the survivor escapes a hook, its the time they buy: Momentum is incredibly important to map pressure and time management, and each DS is basically free momentum for the survivors. The biggest takeaway in terms of handling DS feels like "avoid it unless you can take it without losing momentum."

That video you posted is actually a great tutorial on how to minimize time loss on a few common loops, but none of them are instant unless the survivor messes up badly. That is why people say the survivor's skill is what determines how effective DS is: If the survivor is good, they can buy up to a few minutes easily vs most killers if they don't fail a mindgame (which is huge, especially with coordinated teams.) Fortunately, most DS users tend to be not great at the game, and rely on it as a crutch. Those players usually buy maybe 20 seconds before they get bodied again.

It hasn't actually bothered me. I use the hook offerings as killer if I'm worried about that, and that's what they are there for—wasting less time when carrying a survivor.

Anyway, to your point, wiggling off shouldn't really be a thing unless the killer's carrying the survivor all the way across the map or to the basement.

@bubbleblowingfeng said:

@KoolaidInMyCup said:
If people wanna bring DS, they should be allowed to because they used up 1 of their 4 perk slots for something that gives them 4s of escape time.

Exactly! I think that killers should behave like every single survivor has DS and act accordingly. If killers are really torn up about the four seconds of stun and release time, maybe they should work harder to become better players.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and give a reasonable response here ;

It's 4 seconds of stun time, not chase time. That means that in the 4 seconds that a survivor stuns you without counting any form of an exhaustion or speedboost related perk, that survivor is going to make about 16 meters in distance before the killer can move again. Keep in mind that most killers (not counting Legion, Nurse, Huntress, Spirit and Hag) are 115% movement speed which means they move 0.6 meters per second faster than survivors. To make up the distance gained without enduring, it will take you around 3.47 seconds to make it to where the survivor was ontop of that in which case you're spending roughly another 3 seconds to catch up right behind them meaning that in total decisive strike will cost you somewhere around 11 seconds in total in the best possible case scenario without enduring, if that survivor makes it to another loop then that's an entirely different story especially if that survivor has any form of a brain at all.

Now, add non-obsession DS to that and you get a whole lot more time wasted than that, which you won't know for fact that the said survivor will have non-obsession DS unless you played with them before. Any good survivor is going to make the most out of those "4 seconds" and any killer, including good ones are just going to get annoyed whether or not it's a quick down afterwords or not. Some killers of course are better equipped to handle DS thanks to their powers but it does not change the fact that DS like NOED rewards failure and punishes players who won. I for instance do not mind that there is a perk that can stun the killer for a short period of time, what I do mind is that there is a perk designed for bad players who can't play the game and get rewarded for their own misplay, the same can be said about NOED as those perks play the game for you.

Now, enduring is a totally different story as it is nice to get the reduced stun but it still does not change the annoyance DS brings to the game. Sure you can wait at a high area and a survivor can just fall but that itself can be negated with balanced landing and that survivor was just dumb to go down at a hill to begin with and dribbling, well that isn't really going to happen so much with the hook changes but if it does then you're still wasting a lot of time and making a risky move. I know I'll also probably hear something about slugging too, but that then I'd have to argue that you shouldn't have to lose your well earned hook points (and emblem) just because of a perk. It's why I like deliverance as a perk because although it lets the survivor go, you don't lose progress you made towards the game as the killer.

That being said, I do at least see the potential behind the new hook spawn generation and I think it's an important thing they have changed as of this moment because even if it's flawed now, we should wait to see if any improvements come to the numbers.