Do NOT Do This In Your Matches
Ever since the update dropped, a lot of people have been upset, but one of the most annoying things is playing SoloQ and having people go out of their way to sandbag their teammates and throw the match just to inflate kill rates. I get that people want some changes to be reverted, but dont ruin the game for others just so you can prove your "point".
Out of the 14 SoloQ games I played, 9 of which were completely ruined by players going out of their way to do this.
Dont inflate the killrates on purpose, it's petty and only ruins the game for others.
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This is falling on deaf ears. People who go out of their way to ruin others experience are just throwing a tantrum, exposing themselves as spoiled brats who can't handle any kind of adversity in life. They will not change until something major happens to them that forces them to reflect on their sorry lives and poor behavior.
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This is not happening. Nice try.
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The gaslighting is getting out of hand. The vast conspiracy that survivors are doing X instead of - maybe things are overtuned - is crazy
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My matches beg to differ. Plus you can find a few forums posts/comments to posts of people saying that they are going out of their way to inflate kill rates by doing this. So yea, you are objectively wrong.
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If all of the matches Ive played includes survivors spam vaulting windows to reveal the location of others and bodyblocking windows and pallets to get people killed, they are obviously sandbagging. I can tell the difference between someone just playing poorly and someone going out of their way to ruin the match for others.
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Yes, because killers want to justify being overpowered.
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I'm a non-lethal killer and I've had a few matches where people forced themselves to bleed out to my zombies. I've only ever seen this happen once before in all my time playing Nemesis, and since the new patch dropped I've now seen it multiple times. It could be a coincidence, but it's a weird one if so.
I've also seen a lot of sandbagging as survivor, lately, but I don't know if it's more than usual as my solo matches were usually awful before the patch, too.
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some of us are actually enjoying this update a bit, and are pissed off that people are sandbagging, giving up, DCing, suiciding and throwing even harder than before.
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And you want to justify people openly admitting to ruining the games for others intentionally? Or maybe instead of justifying an awful playstyle that ruins the matches for others, maybe you should point towards constructive criticism and actually provide helpful insight towards making the game better, or would that be too hard?
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Oh its totally happening ive had lots of first hit dcs, afks dying on first hook, playing as killer ive never heard as many idle crows as i have since patch drop, its absolutely terrible right now. Behaviour needs to break out the banhammer hard on these people.
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Giving up I believe. Solo is hopeless so I don't blame them. But actively throwing the game to conspire to get behavior to nerf killer is so absurd it's not even funny.
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Yes, they are DCing, they are giving up instantly, they are afk dying on hook. No ######### shirlock. These are the consequences of being overpowered. Turns out the people you are playing against are real people. What they are not doing is conspiring by dying to inflate kill rates.
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I dont think they're trying to inflate the kill rates but they are indeed ruining it for everyone else.
Just now I had a match with a dwight sandbagging everyone else.
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Oh, this only happened once for me (and I was the killer). That despicable behavior should be a straight ban.
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I've seen it happen on several occasions in both my survivor and killer games. Not so much the sandbagging, but 100% the immediate suiciding (even when, as killer, I show I'm actively being nice.)
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That is the topic of the debate and purely my objection. You can say sandbagging and throwing is happening more or whatever. But nobody is doing it to inflate kill rates.
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It should be a week long temp-ban if enough warnings are issued against a player. Just something to heavily discourge players from doing it, but of course BHVR's reporting system isnt that good, and action isnt taken unless you are on PC (Console reports are worthless) and you have video proof.
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They absolutely are. I haven't seen it yet in my games too much, but yes, people on here have been claiming they will do these things intentionally just to make their point.
Pretending it's not happening is nonsense. Killers got buffs and nerfs, the same way that survivors did. The difference is that survivors are the majority, and are acting like children because they refuse to accept and adapt to these changes, opting instead to throw a fit by purposely dying in games and making every match miserable until they get their way. Their actions have consequences, and they won't be in the form of massive sweeping survivor buffs. Hopefully these children get permabanned from the game for acting this way.
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I have seen several different posters make threads saying this is exactly what they're doing, so... is it really that hard to believe?
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You are objectively wrong, there are people doing it intentionally, you can look through the forums, you WILL find posts of people doing it if you look enough (of course most people of which get their accounts suspended, but their posts should still be there regardless).
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I saw plenty of threads with killers going "WERE ALL GONNA QUIT THE GAME! EVERY KILLER IS GONNA QUIT THE GAME!" When Lucky Break came out. They didn't.
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No conspiracy needed -- it's just examples of children throwing tantrums and ruining the experiencing of others because they value THEIR experience over everyone else's. It's a classic selfish mentality that's been present in the game well before this update -- how many times have we heard someone say they'll DC because of [insert killer/map/gen rushing survivors/etc here] on these same forums well before this update hit?
I've had plenty of games BEFORE this update, both as survivor playing as duo or as killer, ruined by tantrum-throwers who DC or kill themselves on hook. In the handful of survivor games I played yesterday -- 8 in total -- only in two did we not get all 5 gens powered, and one was because someone rage-quit when they were the first one downed. Two killer rounds this morning, and someone rage-quit in a match their team could have won (despite no camping, tunneling, or anything out of the ordinary on my part), completely sandbagging their team in the process.
If people don't like this game, nothing has changed from before this update as to what to do -- there's a simple solution to their problem. DON'T PLAY THE GAME. If you do decide to hit the ready button, then accept those consequences and STOP thinking you're more important than the other 4 people in your game.
You'd think that level of maturity wouldn't be asking for a lot, even in an online video game -- but as life imitates art, apparently, a lot of people aren't capable of it.
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Stop shifting the goalpost. The topic is whether it's being done to inflate kill rates.
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Absolutely. This is no new phenomenon. From killers who'd purposefully AFK, to survivors who'd DC the minute they realized it was a Nurse/Spirit/Blight, to rage-quitters for whatever reason they justify their actions with, people have been doing it well before this update, and it's always been sad behavior.
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You're the one moving the goalposts. I simply said that childish rage-quitting for ANY reason has been going on in this game when people don't get their way since BEFORE the update. I also clearly stated that there's no conspiracy (to do anything of the sort) -- that it's childish people doing those things because they're selfish and they're not thinking of anyone else but themselves, and that I've personally seen people DC'ing in games I've played thst have ruined it for myself or others.
What part of THAT would you like to take issue with?
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Whats the whole people are killing themselves on hook to inflate kill rates
Sounds like a wacky conspiracy
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I don't even disagree with that. Can we both agree that people are just being childish ######### and that there is no conspiracy to inflate kill rates?
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But it IS happening, an very consistently.
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Im not saying that everyone is going out of their way to do it. Im saying that some people are, while the matches I had, the people doing it were a lot more prevalent, I do reckon I just got rather unlucky. But, again, I would recommended looking through forum posts, since again, there are a lot of people who openly admitted to doing it in their matches.
(Also I never mentioned people letting themselves go on hook, I mentioned people sandbagging others on purpose, it seems like everyone is just pretending that I said "everyone who lets themselves go on hook is purposely throwing the match for killrates" when I never specifically said that.)
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Wow... is it that bad now... I haven't played for 4-5 months at this point
But then again I saw the same things happening when I did play... so it being because of the patch is not true
And I don't think that Survivors are forcing the Killrate to be inflated by any means... cause why and which Killers does it happen to???
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I mean, the difference with all the endless "THIS CHANGE KILLED DBD I'M QUITTING" threads is that there was never any evidence that the thing people were threatening was happening. Here, I'm seeing it happen at increased rates and I don't find it all that difficult to believe that people are trying to prove a point, because so many people vocally want this update rolled back? I doubt all of them are doing it for that reason - like, if I see someone suiciding on hook against Thana/DL Legion, I'm assuming it's because that particular game is about as much fun as a colonoscopy - but I don't have trouble believing some of them have this goal in mind.
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Since that's what I actually essentially said in my initial post, then you could consider that agreement.
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Then why were you being aggressive with me?
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this is some new illuminati conspiracy bs theory lmao baby Killer mains grasping for any straw so they can keep their unbalanced buffs.
1st it was you guys just need to adapt, then well you just garbo without DH you have to relearn the game and now survivors doing all coordinated illuminati sabotage to inflate kill rate.
Lets see what next cringe theory Killer will pull out tomoroow
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You replied to me first. You accused me of "shifting the goalposts", which I wasn't. I simply restated what was obviously there in my first post, and asked what was inaccurate or wrong about it in your opinion.
If that came across as "aggressive", that wasn't the intent.
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I was playing survivor. I play both sides equally and I dont consider myself a main of either side, and most of my time recently has been spent as survivor because the queues are quicker. But I guess Im a "baby killer main" for pointing out people doing an awful thing, gotta create that "us VS them" situation to make an argument that doesnt exist. I implore you to look through the forums, there are posts of people admitting to purposely throwing games to inflate killrates.
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Trying to invalidate the horrendous balancing and state of the game by saying survivors are causing killrates to increase is ridiculous.
Who would spend their free time to simply join a match to lose on purpose? Think about it.
But giving up is actually tremendously more important stat because it shows the game is broken. In a proper game, all 5 players should feel they have a chance at winning.
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Iridescent Rank 4 Survivor here. Every solo Q is a nightmare and people just mess around. They only start doing gens when people start dying on hooks.
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When did I ever say the changes made to the game were balanced? When did I ever say that people being upset was invalid? The only thing I said was that people were going out of their way to throw matches intentionally to raise killrates, again, I implore you to look through the forums, you will find posts of people saying they are doing it.
If you bothered to look through my posts and comments on other posts, you would know that I think some changes on both sides need to be made, I think SoloQ is horrible, it's been horrible for years, and BHVR needs to give SoloQ major QoL. I think some of the perks changes they made arent healthy for the game at all. But ignore all of that, because one posts makes me against everything Ive said up until this point apparently.
"Who would spend their free time to simply join a match to lose on purpose? Think about it." Youre saying that when this is the same community where I had a guy cyberstalk me for months and constantly DDOSed and harassed me on Twitter, and only stopped when their account for suspended for harassment. They spent all of their time DDOSing me and harassing me over something they didnt like, so do you think people wont throw matches intentionally over something they dont like?
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I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but I've had multiple survivors who force themselves to go down to my zombies and bleed out for four minutes rather than do gens and escape. Or they go AFK in a locker. In my survivor matches very few are bothering to do gens, they rush the hook or follow the killer around but they make no attempt to escape. And I see the same in a lot of my killer matches: the first gen doesn't get done for 5+ minutes, like they don't bother to start gens until they finally accept I'm not going to do anything but kill zombies and proc chase.
Some survivors are going in to lose. Their queues in my area are fast, so I guess it's no big deal when you don't have to wait for matches? I dunno.
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This varies for me. I had people run the killer to me, which is fine. I don't expect everyone to know where I am on the map, even when I am on a gen. If they need me to take a hit, I will also do it or even take aggro.
If I have the killer on my ass, and I am looking for a loop and you happen to be there working a gen there.. what do you suggest I do? Either I take the killer to that loop and give time so other people get a gen done, or take the killer to the middle of the map and go down instantly and that gives less time to do a gen.
If people run the killer to you on purpose, then they are an ass but I feel a majority of the time if you have the kilter on you.. you are just running for your life lol. I will move out of the way if I am on a gen, if you are heading my way. Then get back on.
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That's always been in issue in solo q. There's always been the teammate that sandbags everyone because they are hiding the whole match waiting for hatch and when they're found the lead the killer to someone else. It's literally been a complaint since MMR started - that the person that hides or gets their team killed can escape through hatch to keep their MMR or worse manage to exit through gate after hatch is closed and raise their MMR. It's considered skilled that they escaped and their teammates are unskilled for dying.
These players aren't doing it to raise kill rate, they did it before the patch and they're going to continue doing it now. You just notice/feel it more now.
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What did you guys' think was going to happen? Not many people want to stay in a game when the killer decides to throw on a bunch of gen slowdown perks, especially on already very strong killers. Camping/tunneling is worse as well.
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1: Killers are far from being overpowered.
2: Even if they were overpowered this wouldn't be an excuse to throw the game, specially since, you know, there are other people on your team that depend on your competence to win.
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I've seen this happen a few times since the update. It is 100% happening.
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If solo is hopeless....why do you ready up as a solo?
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Had a TTV player trying to get me off a totem right at start of the game, I had Inner Healing and Overzealous and the TTV wanted to bless the totem. I did not let him and then he followed me throwing pallets and vaulting to get the killer to kill me. Killer got him instead and he hook suicide. Also had several hook suicides at first down in my latest game so it's clear some survivors wants higher kill rate right now.
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I always cringe so hard when I spawn together with another survivor and their very first action is to fast vault towards the gen 5m away. I know they just messed up, but just a dead giveaway for the killer ^^
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The Players ur mentioned are just Sounds like " Hey i dont like the changes so im going to Ruin the Fun 4 others Players " and if this is the Case and Survivors are so Toxic because they didnt like the changes then yes None of the changes should ever be reverted
Also if they going to Buff Killers or Survivor the Devs also should rework some of the map Design this is the biggest Problem in the Game
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Nemesis is a very tricky killer to verse and I feel his power is like Huntress where it feels unfair sometimes. He was already extremely strong and the killer buffs have inherently made him too strong.
Those survivors feel there is no chance to win which is the issue. I don't think they purposely joined to do that.
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