Anyone else feel like the devs are scared of making strong survivor perks?

Up until this patch we've had 4 years of OP Survivor Perks 😂 DH, DS, BT, MoM... this post is a joke.

Their job is to make a fun game, not cater to one side of the playerbase over another.

The recent killer buffs aren't even all that. Chase times are slightly improved, but that's it. Survivors are just salty that their crutch perk is gone and constantly give up or ragequit games when they see a killer or build they don't like. The psychological effect of the killer buff boogeyman is doing more damage than the buffs themselves.

And most survivors want easy 4Es. Everyone wants to win. They looked at the stats, decided that survivors were winning too often for the health of the game, and did something about it.

Personally, I consider a 2K a tie (I tell myself I did okay) and a 3K as a win (I pat myself on the back).

Dead Hard needed to be killed. Does anyone serious disagree with that? It was an instant eraser for any mistake a survivor made. Other than that, a few actions were increased by 10%, and bloodlust now activates quicker. Most of the best killer perks are gone.

Give it a few weeks and see how things go. Or just... stop playing. Killers dealt with a survivor-sided game for years, and if survivors are going to whine about how they'll threaten BHVR's pocketbook by never playing again when kill rates have only slightly increased if anything, they should go ahead and make good on it. Community is probably better without people like that.

oh definitely, seeing stuff like dark theroy and overzealous seriously baffle me as perk designs and hurt the team

Like you spend and waste all that time.... for a 2% speed increase. i hear it makes killers take 20-13% longer to catch up but you got to remember its a looping perk that stuck to a specific small area that also probably lost its pallets making it useless and seeing team mates with just that boon upsets me

overzealous was just inexcusable too, all that effort for a weaker rescillence you can loose in a split second. you want a bone breaking perk inner healing is the only real one i see

only good survivor perk ive seen since circle of healing was overcome honestly but they nerfed it to no longer work with endurance hits for some reason so now we only have sprint burst as a good exhaustion option getting unhooked (will say its still top 3 with sprint burst and lithe though now, health state requirement can be steep and match up dependent though)

YEARS of suffering first down DS and Dead Hard and the world is ending less than a week after a patch that changes things up.

Please try some of the new perks and think about how you can use them.

hey use lightweight thats a new meta combo with off the perk. I play killer and facing survivor with those perk. so difficult to track

Coconut did some research

yeah no on the above post. Even with perk rebalances the only ones survivor side i find strong within the year have been built to last and vigil to a smaller extent.

I feel built to last is the only competitive healing perk compared to circle of healing, its controllable, counters franklins and still gives a large amount of heals depending on the medkit build you have. even flexible with toolbox and flashlights so like a strong survivor perk it's adaptable.

vigil is also adaptable and helps deal with a lot of deadly perks aswell as smooth out exhaustion for people not really aquainted with the mechanic enough. really makes sprint burst feel a lot better though i use lithe a good bit more for overall ease of use

A perk that was released early 2017, the strongest survivor perk, was finally nerfed in the second half of 2022

you can still use coh, OTR makes you basically invisible as long as you aren't getting face camped, Lightweight is actually not a bad perk in chases, and we'll make it is even more viable now.

I've been using Prove thyself, overcome, we'll make it, and desperate measures to counter slowdown, and it works very well

A perk getting reworked to become good is still a good perk. I personally think Lucky Break is very underrated.

The hex part of Soul Guard isn't its greatest strength, it's the endurance part. But back when it released hexes were very common so it was a solid pick.

Original Prove Thyself wasn't that good as Leader outshined it. The current Prove Thyself is much better than old Prove Thyself and old Leader.

Because of Aftercare's triggering conditions, and it's reset condition.

Empathic Connection tells injured solo survivors:

• Where to or not to take the killer in chase (if they are on death hook and need someone to take aggro or if EC survivor is on a gen)
• Where they can find someone to heal them
• Where the killer is currently located (if EC survivor looks like they are looping)
• Where a generator is (if EC survivor is on a gen)

Solo survivors' biggest weaknesses are:

• Knowing where to kite the killer
• Getting healed in a timely manner
• Approximating the killer's location
• Finding generators that have or are being worked on

Empathic Connection gives other survivors all the information they need to make meaningful contributions to the team. All it takes is one person running this perk for the whole team to look more coordinated.

Ok that makes sense. I get your point.

I think a lot of it comes down to just how powerful the old meta perks were. It took CoH, a perk that was absolutely busted on release, to make people consider swapping their builds. I think now that the meta perks are nerfed we might get some more useful survivor perks later (and hopefully no more slowdown perks for killers :p)

I wont feed the troll !

I dont think you are trolling.. Im sure you are ! And congratulation you did it well everybody was baited. I like to be a troll sometimes but you are way better than me good job dude !

Ok I got ya now... and yes I've noticed that as well

I'm curious, why do you like his perks if you think they're weak?

There's 4 survivors, so whenever you make a strong perk that runs the risk of being very strong, you can run into serious balance issues due to that

I've noticed this too!

The last real strong survivor perk we got was CoH. Haddie's perks are mediocre at best and whilst Yoichi has a couple of good perks (Parental Guidance & Empathetic Connection), they're very situational and still don't match the power of some of the recent killer perks.

To put things into perspective, in the last year killers have received the following meta perks: Lethal Pursuer, Scourge: Pain Resonance, and two strong Hex perks (Pentimento and Plaything). A strong case can also be made for perks like Grim Embrace, Merciless Storm, Call of Brine, and Dissolution being really strong, too!

The only real 'meta' perk survivor's have had is CoH, and I suppose you could also argue Overcome too. If you look at all the survivors released in the last year or so (RE survivors, Jonah, Yoichi, and Haddie): some of their perks are mediocre/situational at best (Bite The Bullet, Blast Mine, Parental Guidance, etc.) whilst others are borderline useless (Dark Theory, Corrective Action, etc.). It's fair to assume the past few chapters they've focused on strengthening the killer, so after the recent update, it'll be interesting to see what kind of perks both sides get.

I agree, new options would ensue a new meta for survivors, which is something I'd like to see. Instead theyve been relying on killer perks to sway the meta it seems. This last patch even seemed to create the same meta with the "same perks" just different names lol

Ok, devs said that they nerfed selfcare because they think that having the capability of healing at will is not balanced at all. Then you find Circle of Healing and bottany stacking, giving you the exact same thing they said that was too strong.

Then we have Off The Record, which has received a considerable buff that transformed it into one of the strongest perks in the game for survivors.

We also have some exhaustion perks that give haste (sprintburst, balanced landing, agility) , perks that if are used with knowledge can be also strong.

Then, about your "strong" killer perks, lethal pursuer can only be used once and needs addons and aura reading perks to be useful. Pentimento is easy to counter, just do not cleanse if it is not needed, and if shattered hope is in game, do not boon or make sure you cleanse one Pentimento totem so it does not reach 5 stacks. For pain resonance, try to be far from scourge hooks and keep repairing the gen, and have long chases. For Call of Brine, simply stop the regression and be patient. The same world for Deadlock, be patient and if the killer is camping the gen, then go repair another one.

Every perk in the game can be countered, and many times outsmarting your rival is more than necessary to avoid difficult situations, like a 5-stack Pentimento. Some counters are easy and some are difficult, but if well-executed, the match could be yours.