Killer queue is eternal

at best its a re-balance. health/endurance staes dont give as much as they used to time value wise and that was the important part over duration. i dont think anyone is going to wait out a 60-80second one if they feel its in play

That the amount of people wanting to play during prime time, is higher for survivors than it is for killers. Prime time is what matters the most, as thats the time when most people aren´t working and can choose to play whatever role they prefer.

Now in regard of the friends, this implies, that SWF is the predominant role during prime time. Or at least so high, that it affects survivor queues.

Either way, this leaves 2 possible outcomes: 1. SWF is much higher than we think or 2. killer wasn´t in a good spot. Both lead to the same result, since SWF has a higher escape rate.

I'll take a 2 minute queue for a slightly more balanced match over a instaqueue into agony any day.

The queues are slowly going back to normal. Yesterday evening, i had to wait 2 minutes at most as killer. I´ve noticed from solo queue, that my teammates also start to play normal again. Which is a good sign. All in all, i´d wait another week to see how everything goes. Especially with the bonus bloodpoints coming back.

Of course killer mains only playing 4 stack SWF, and thats only possible when friends having time for it evenings-nights

This whole phrase is contradicting itself.

I've not had this experience playing killer post-patch, which is odd considering I expected longer. Pre-patch it used to take me 5min to get a lobby as a killer, now I'm getting one in 2min or less. Most likely it has to do with MMR level and time of day being played.

I don't use regression perks and I do just fine. Regression Perks are not like how original DH was where it's press E and extend a chase to a pallet or next loop that they normally couldn't make it too or to fix a mistake they make. Heck most of the Regression perks now don't synergize with each other like they use too so if a killer does a 4 stack they are a idiot tbh

Sounds good! Have fun!

I’m not sure they can do much about people suiciding on hook. They’re not going to ban people who die on hook since it’s impossible to tell if it was malicious or just someone who wanted to try and pull themselves off and failed (which isn’t an uncommon new player mistake). The only way to stop suiciding on hook is to get rid of the ability to try and pull yourself off and I don’t think the devs are interested in doing that.

As far as disconnects go, I’m all for increasing the penalty for having multiple DCs in a week. I don’t think they should increase the penalty for the first DC in a week though since internet hiccups do happen sometimes. So a five minute timeout is fine for a first offense, 15-30 minutes for a second DC in a few days, and then scale up quickly from there.

The reason survivor queues were bad while the matchmaking bonus was on was because the 100% bonus was stuck on survivors so everybody was playing survivor to get the bonus. In other words the bonus was very definitely getting people to play that side, it’s just it was stuck on survivor so it was actually shifting things the wrong way.

Gotta love it when oblivious killer mains give their obviously biased opinions on survivor issues. What are your go-to perks? Urban Evasion? This Is Not Happening?

As someone who's played thousands of hours of almost exclusively solo queue survivor, and who also dropped Dead Hard over a year before its nerf, the games have been hell solely due to the buffs the killer side received while we (solo queue survivors) stayed neglected at the same level. Teammates kill themselves because they're tired of facing Starstruck Nurses and 4 slowdowns Legions, for the 4th time in a single night, knowing they can't do anything as a single survivor without sacrificing the entirety of their build (which is now even more limited due to all the nerfs) to get info, and even that doesn't guarantee all their teammates will be doing the same.

I've seen a killer main playing on twitch recently, oblivious to their rock bottom MMR, going against a 2 hour Trapper and saying "What are survivors complaining about? I can play just fine!". Well yeah you're supposed to when you don't touch the role at all except for rift challenges or dailies.

This update is creating killer mains because to play survivor without a premade team is living hell and I believe this is a double edged sword - when most SoloQ survivors get tired of it, the sweaty SWFs will be all that there's left. And back you bunch go into complaining and rants on the forums.

Makes you wonder how people of the past have managed to complete the power moves achievment, ie escape 8 trials without any perks equipped while finishing at least one full gen. I guess all the poor sods grinded 25+ games per pip in this achievment, cursing every moment of their miserable DH and IW deprived existence ... not me, though. I always thought that I was made to be a killer main, but apparently I am secretly a Survivor soloQ god and never noticed!!1 Got that power moves achievment done on two casual afternoons.

I got mine on a stream when I was doing the Adept survivors I was missing. I have people redeeming channel points all the time for perkless survivor rounds, or No Mither survivor rounds, and my escape rate for those has always been pretty solid. I guess I'm a lot better than I thought at survivor too, lol.

Gotta love it when oblivious survivor mains confuse "killer main" with "guy who plays exclusively killer". As most killer players I split my time rather evenly with playing survivors (only 3 tomes left!), I like the killer role a bit more, thought, thats why I identify myself as Killer main, but lets not needlessly attack each other over semantics :)

So, because I didn't want to be a hypocrit myself, I never played with the perks that I hated with a passion, so I only ever equipped DH, for example, in order to get Davids adapt achievment and the two or three tome challenges that require you to evade a killers attack with DH. It was a conscious decision to play without it, and in the beginning I died a lot and got caught easily by most killers. But with time I learned how to properly loop, how to trick the killer, how to corner tech etc. and soon I was a rather competent survivor.

With me not being slaved to the meta I opted for mostly fun builds that still offered good utility. This are the three builds I used on my main Jill:

1) Head On, Red Herring, Quick n Quiet, Blast Mine. Basically I would do gens and by the second gen would leave the killer a fun lil present with the blast mine before hopping into the next locker. From here I would often watch them get blasted in the face and about half the time smack them in the face, again, with the locker doors. Its a lot of fun and wastes so much time in the killers side. Alternatively I would just loop the killer a bit and then hop quickly into a locker and hope that I were ready to smack them before they figured out what had happened.

2) Overcome, Lucky Break, Inner Healing, Quick n Quiet. I would try to cleanse a totem asap and then just do gens. If the killer found me I would try to loop them as long as possible, but once hit I would just magically zoom off, disappear, jump into a locker and reset within seconds. Rinse. Repeat.

3) Bond, Kindred, Open Handed, Borrowed Time. My most used build and the one that has my highest survival rate. It gives you exteme information and lets you make a lot of informed decisions. The extended Kindreds wallhacks cover half the map and are extremely unfair to the killer, letting you easily win any "mindgame", because there is no way to game you. People say that this is exactly the info that you get as a SWF for free, but I heaviliy disagree and even ran this build the few times I play with friends. What many peeps sleep on is the fact that there is a massive difference between hearing and getting described whats happening and ACTUALLY seeing it in real time. This is huuuge and if SWF wouldn't scoff at "training wheel perks" or "baby perks" like bond and kindred but actually try them out with their advanced game knowledge, they would see their value.

Right now camping and tunneling is a big problem, and I hope that it gets addressed sooner then later, but claiming tha the soloQ experience can be nothing but miserable is just extemely biased and, probably, an unfair and not well thought through claim.

Which statement are you refering to?

Yeah about that. Player count has increased by 1k since the patch was released. So the patch actually brought more players back.

Yeah, but I'm soooooo good that the bottom 30% dropping off hasn't affected me. So I'm... glad? that they're excluded... for reasons

Anyway, I just wish they'd stop coming onto these forums and saying outrageous things like, "The game isn't fun without a viable win condition" it makes me so ANGRY. Thanks for listening, tho, it helps to vent