I tried camping as GF

You can't expect them (devs) to understand skill when they themselves have set their own standard to "kills and escapes = skill" because nothing that happens in between matters to them.

You can say its strategy because they deem it that way, doesn't mean that the players don't know what actual skill means. It surely doesn't mean cheese a playstyle so you can "win".

You are only able to easily camp a 4k if the survivors allow it. You can easily beat survivors with any strategy if they are playing poorly.

Survivors don't spawn on the hook, the killer has to earn the down.

Especially with the meta being shaken to the point where no perk is really required anymore; kindred has always been an option for solo Q players

We all know that stealth killers can camp well, also bubba, hag, basement trapper, DR nearly everyone knows which killers can camp well and which ones don't, showing you had a match as GF and camped isn't showing anything new that we don't already know and add on top of that survivors DC just because a killer looked at them, killing themselves on hook because they don't like how the killer beat them and got them on hook.

Showing a game where you played a killer that can't camp well but you were still able to get the same results would mean a LOT more then showing a game with a killer that can camp easy that just shows nothing new apart from survivors DC and screwing over the rest of the team.

Here is what we have _> already know about it _> survivors DC nothing new_> nothing new that the devs, balance team and player base doesn't know about already_> new info would be better then something we all know about already and in your own words "But that is exactly what I was trying to illustrate.

Stealth killers can camp solos for 4k with no effort" everyone knows stealth killers can do that. does that sum it up for you all you did was show us what we all know already and not bring any new helpful information that can help with camping, its like me camping with Insidious Bubba then making a post i tried camping with Insidious Bubba it brings no helpful information or anything new that everyone doesn't know about already.

Where as if i did it with the Nemesis and not using Insidious then that would bring new info to the table and show that with Nemesis its easy to camp for the 4k.

"Camping for ez kills therefore means skill... right? Illustration of very "skilled" play." you used a stealth killer pick a harder killer to camp with next time.

"Exactly! That's my point. It's stupid easy to camp solo survivors with stealth killer. And it should not be. Yes, it's a waste of time for survivors and again, it should not be. Hence, once again, I'm saying that solo needs ability to share information." your point and post would of stood out more and got more discussion if you didn't use a easy killer to camp with.

"Stealth killers can camp solos for 4k with no effort. Do you believe it's fine that the game allows that cheap "strategy" for wins that frustrate survivors into DC or do you think it needs changes? That's the whole point of the post." camping as a whole needs to change anyone can pick a easy killer and camp people on the hook hell just use bubba but wait make sure to post a image of your DC and kills to let everyone know that it's not right and Bubba needs to change how he camps (even though you know everyone knows Bubba is the best camper).

"The purpose of the post is to prompt discussion: here is what we have -> I don't think it's fair -> it needs to be changes." you used a stealth killer to prove camping with a stealth killer is not fair instead of trying to do it with a harder killer.

You made a thread and about how easy it is to camp with GF (which pretty much everyone knows) at that point it was open for discussion but the result you got wasn't what you wanted, people called you out for using a stealth killer and you don't seem to see the problem with that and how stealth killers are good at camping and why people are saying to do it again with a killer that is hard to camp with.

I'm open to talk about camping and how it needs to change and talk about ideas that might work but using a stealth killer is not the best way to show how bad camping is.

Survivors you faced were obviously bad when you reach high mmr try this again and result will be very different but you will be facing swf there ofcourse. Devs want soloQ to be miserable otherwise they would already add some form of basekit kindred.

LMAO prob all survivor mains that only look at things from the survivor point of view and shows how much you read my msg as i wasn't complaining i was pointing out flaws with what you were posting and not once were you able to come back with a answer for any of my questions, grats you camped with a stealth killer that can mark survivors and 1 shot them would you like a medal thats just as easy as camping with bubba but yet you weren't willing to do it again with a killer that's not a stealth one, funny how you didn't want to step up to the plate when called out for using a killer that can camp well, wait 5 min and ill camp with myers to prove the same thing then ill do the same with freddy and get 2 different results because 1 of them is not a stealth killer and can't one shot. But for some reason you can't seem to understand that just cause one killer can camp well doesn't mean other's can.

But hey camping is not going away anytime soon so survivor mains can upvote as much as they want and guess what killers will still camp but at least players with skill can pull of camping using harder killers, so you stick to the easy path while the rest of us try to show why camping is a problem all round and not just with some killers, i really do hope one day you understand if you want things to change like camping you need to show how easy it is to do with non camping killers like Freddy and not ones like Bubba or ghost face.

I guess you have never lost a game because of poor performance by your team, before? It's not exactly unique to DBD. The effectiveness of camping is directly correlated to survivor performance.

If survivors suck and go down in 10 seconds, then yes, camping is a very effective strategy. If they can loop well? The killer will be forced to leave the hook or lose the game because of gen pressure. Not a hard concept to understand.

Unless you are in a SWF, you are not part of a team. You are in a game with other players who may or may not help you. That is a key feature of DBD and has been a design decision since day 1. Stop thinking you are obligated to rescue a "teammate" in a game that has no metric of success for altruism in terms of matchmaking

Two, you can extrapolate your argument to literally any other multiplayer video game. A team can easily get you into situations you as an individual cannot extract yourself from, no matter what the method of gameplay is (holding M1, scoring a kill, etc)

Going down in 10 seconds is about the only way camping is going to work for a 3-4k barring some extreme misplays. Countering it is as easy as looping the killer long enough your team can attain gen pressure, which is probably less than 40 seconds if you are the first one being chased.

So tough luck you got a bad teammate, but welcome to online video games