Why is everyone giving up so quickly?

Had a couple of frustrating games last night as survivor, purely because they were 100% winnable and a teammate just let go on hook for no reason. No camping, no tunnelling, not a hated killer, no annoying perks, we weren't even losing, they just did it anyway.

@GrimReaperJr1232

This is where it begins. We come together to play against each other. Even though we play against each other, we still play together, because one side can't play without the other.

The players can't help the concept behind the game. That is up to the developers. The concept is ok, but its side effect is the stringent straightforwardness that hardly allows any deviation or flexibility.

Players can only move in two axes. Obstacles cannot be climbed, but must be walked around, except for the special ones that can be jumped through (since they are near the ground and are usually nothing more than window sills).

The concept is straightforward so that games don't drag on unnecessarily and so that each side also gets a sense of goal accomplishment.

But the problem that this concept fails to solve is balancing the different skills of the players. Neither perks, addons nor offerings contribute significantly to this. They are part of a lottery to make the game a bit more unpredictable in its progression, but the straightforwardness remains.

At the end of the day, by our nature, we are actually always egoists. That's my point of view.

Imagine yourself at the time of the Titanic disaster. You fall into the sea with your loved ones and it's a matter of life and death. What do you do? Do you stay with them until your will to survive possibly becomes a danger for them or do you say goodbye, wish them luck and swim away?

Our egoism makes us blind to how things are going. You go into a round as a killer player, effectively (i.e., with no real chance of a good game for your opponents) knocking opponents down, hooking them, or even applying mori.

Do you think most of your opponents will enjoy that?

The imbalance between players and their skills is made worse by the killer player using a character that makes things even easier for him.

It's a game. The terms 'winning', 'losing' and 'giving up' are part of it. That's the basic nature of each game.

The devs can change variables in the game, pimp the presentation, bring in new characters and maps, but that doesn't change the straight lines that the game concept and mechanics enforce.

Deathgarden was a good example. Free movment in three axes, but the same imbalance in skills. A skilled hunter player was a warrant that you had definitely lost as a scanvenger. The learning curve for this was also immense.

To compensate the learning curve of the game concept, as I see it, one of the straight lines provides that when a survivor comes into the killer's field of view, their chances of escape drop drastically if the killer player doesn't make too many mistakes.

In my view, the only way to balance this out is through a little understanding and oversight. If the killer has already hooked everyone twice, then why not just let them go, chase someone else. Really play the game (together)! Your opponents are not stupid! They see the relationship between hooks, made generators and calculate chances that the game does not go as expected. And when it does go as expected, it's boring! And this is due to the game concept and the selfishness of the players.

As long as one of the sides behaves selfishly, so does the other.

These are my thoughts on the matter.

Survivor just got quite boring and discouraging, with no way to get even 2 (or often 1, with how much killers love slugging right now) escapes if anyone has made a single side-step to do anything else than gens (like totems or chests).

Add that to rampant dirty plays from killers, stacked slowdowns even though the gen speed has already been nerfed, janky mmr, and lack of coordination, and you get a pretty "just give up" cake.

Props to you for playing Legion, though, they're my killer of choice as well. They do synergize well with Nurse's perks, I personally prefer nurse's calling atm, since I'm low mmr and lots of survivors still heal against Legion.

So when Killer dc/gave up it is because the game isn't balance. But when Survivors do it must be anything but game balance issue?

here's the real reason. Once hooked, the chances of getting any more bloodpoints that match goes down dramatically. Between face camping, tunnelling, or dumb teammates, the odds of the match being good for that dangling victim is low. If the perception is the match isn't worth continuing and survivors have instant queues why not give up and get a better more fun match. It's a rational choice.

Don't get me wrong, its cancer for the longevity of the game. If match quality goes into the toilet because of suicides or disconnects the other folks will be inclined to play less. Match quality has to be good and matches fun for both sides for this game to exist in the long term.

Some people will just act childish. Maybe they're actually children, who knows? Anyone who claims that "Survivors can tell at the start of the game how a game will go" is genuinely mad.

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You don't know what perks the killer and other survivors have! You could have a truly blessed game or a truly cursed one, but because you got unlucky and were caught first you sacrifice yourself! Honestly, the sheer disregard for others infuriates me to no end.

If you don't want to play the match after you queued for it then grow a pair and DC, if you won't commit to generators, at least commit to that so you'll get punished for your nonsense.

Because play solo now is so boring and you never have good teammates, and the killer every tunnel and camp or using full slowdown perks and, without helps or communication, play as survivor solo now is to much frustrate, im gave up play as survivor, unfortunetlly, i like it, but now, is so boring. im just playing killer, still i need wait 4,5 minutes for to play. 

If you hear Spirit, blight, nurse in early game or any killer using SBFL, or thana, sloppy, gift of pain, whatever full slowdown, you begin the matche know it will be boring, frustrating and unfun, so simply give up.