I've lost respect for Killer
I think as a whole, competitive gamers, need to see a game as being fair.
According to BHVRs last stats they showed, the kill rates were hoovering around 55%. Which to me seemed relatively fair. It would have been better at a straight 50% but I understand that it's difficult to hit that rate when you have an asymmetrical game.
However, after patch 6.1.0, where the developers intentionally gave wins to killers because they wanted killer to feel like "An unstoppable force", I feel as if I lose to a killer, that the killer didn't deserve that win.
If feels to me as if the killer is running developer installed cheat software that gives killers free wins, regardless of their skill.
The game is no longer fair to both sides after this patch. How can I respect my opponent when he is just given wins by the developer.
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Cool story. I don't think Killers will feel like they're missing anything.
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Just for reference, the 55% kill rate also may not have been the stats they were going by. It’s likely they’re looking at various kill rates by MMR brackets, not just the single overall kill rate across all matches, and also it’s possible the kill rate shifted over time to be a bit lower than that as well. The aggregate site I’ve been following had it at 49% overall for instance, so it could be when you filter out the truly new players from the data and only include ones that have a reasonable amount of play time the kill rate was lower than 55%.
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I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I've yet to go AFK and still get a win, so your term "free win" isn't all that accurate
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I wouldn't take it that far, killers still have to be at least decent to win depending on what killer+perks are chosen, while slowdowns may be busted when used in a certain way it doesn't guarantee victory without some sort of game knowledge
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This patch and the reaction on the forums just showed me that a lot (not all™) of killer mains, at least on here, weren't really looking for fair matches but just wanted easier wins.
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Killers have their hands held at the moment by the devs. I'm hoping we have a fairer game in the future.
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This is such a bad argument.
Killers still got 4ks before the update, even when everyone had dead hard. Exceptions exist everywhere, they just aren't realistic to the general view of things.
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Yes because playing killer before and getting teabagged and cliky clicky and told to kms constantly the number one thing I was thinking before was "these survivors must really respect killers".
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I wouldn't say killers get free wins, but devs definitely took a stance in the wrong direction in matters of fairness, in my opinion.
I don't think 2K should be considered a "loss" or insufficient for killers. 2K is a tie.
Enforcing a mandatory "anything less than 3K is a loss" is hurtful for survivors' fun, and for killer's self esteem.
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Just play Pig and block a box. With certain addons you will guaranteed 1-2k every single match.
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That isn't a win and it's been taken out of the game
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''I think as a whole, competitive gamers, need to see a game as being fair.''
Competitive or fair, pick one.
What you are thinking of is casual.
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Just look at the Olympics, it is competitive and it's fair, that's why there's different categories.
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Yeah i just read that first sentence and went off. I thought he meant players should play fair, he meant players should feel the game is fair.
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Competitive and Fair go hand in hand. Is there any other game on the market that just gives one side wins like DBD does: Street Fighter, LOL, Call of Duty, etc etc? This statement is about the role in general, not about players who play Killer. I totally understand players who play killer because it's easy wins given to them by developers.
If I was still playing the game, I'd definitely play killers just because it's free wins. But I don't respect the role anymore and I honestly just don't play unfair competitive games in the first place. Whats the point when one side is just given wins, it's no longer competitive at that point.
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There's a litmus test for the Olympics. Any troglodyte can, and does, logon to DBD.
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Survivors grew too used to their DH crutch. It’s very reminiscent of when BHVR killed Ruin and a lot of killer mains got upset and claimed it would destroy the game.
Turns out it was just fine and killers just needed time to adjust. Survivors just have to learn to play without a massive DH crutch.
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I dont see what kind of point youre trying to make here but ok.
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That everyone at the Olympics plays to win, it's a poor comparison.
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You're upset about crutch perks. Yet Dead Hard was active and being used by 75% of survivors when the game was still killer sided with 55% of wins.
Shouldn't you also be upset about the entire Killer kit sitting on one massively-unfair crutch patch that literally just gives killers wins?
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except good queue times
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My queue times have been fine? If you were looking to console yourself, I'll move along.
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Sounds like it's finally time to hang up my weapons for good. I've played the killer role through good times and bad, but knowing I had your respect, OP, that saw me through everything. Without it there's little reason to carry on.
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If that happened constantly, you would have quit playing a long time ago or you actually relished that sort of thing.
No one with more than thirty brain cells or an ounce of self respect would fire up a video game where they were constantly getting bullied and told to kill themselves.
Yes, it happens sometimes and should never happen, but please cool it with the hyperbole and woah is me attitude.
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I'm not saying this about killer players, and don't take it like a personal attack. When I was playing, I played both sides. I just can't respect the killer as a role in this game anymore when it's just given kills by the developer. You are probably feeling like it's a personal attack because you too don't respect the killer role after this update. It's not really fair to you, to play killer and no longer feel like your skill is the deciding factor in games but instead your kills are fed to you by the developers. It's demeaning.
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I mean I was playing a load of zero slowdown Sadako yesterday. You can't really believe that's a recipe for an ez 4k, patch or no patch
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Thank you for the ad hominin and accusations of lying, very useful comment you've made here. We'll just bury our heads in the sand and pretend toxicity was not previously a massive problem in the game and that is hasn't gone down since the patch I guess.
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Sadako is one of my mains. She's definitely better than people make her out to be, however... Dredge came out and he's Sadako 2.0, he does every she does but better.
Sadako just needs a rework so she's not Dredge's lamer sister. (I would consider this a design problem the developers should fix).
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Nobody is giving out free wins. Killers didnt get a *2 speed buff or now somehow instantly downs you and brick your pc. Solo Q is miserable because solo q players are a miserable bunch.
What can the developers do when in half of the games the person that gets downed first either suicides on hook or dcs.
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I play plenty of killer and maybe have gotten legitimately bullied in like 30 out of 1,000 games. I've gotten hate mail, but maybe only 3 or 4 that I've actually reported for harassment (either #########, n word, or gay slurs).
You and I have a different idea of what the word "constantly" means.
Again, you should be bullied 0 times and told to ######### 0 times. But if you were consistently being bullied and told to #########, and you kept playing this game in spite of the harassment, that's pretty mind boggling to me.
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Good for you we had different experiences, I got toxicity for playing killer several times a night and then I would get toxicity from teammates for telling people not to do that towards the killer as survivor.
I keep playing because the core game play is fun to me and I don't let bullies dictate what I do it's not that complicated.
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I'm so so sick of reading the same deranged hyperbolic statements from people over and over.
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Tell me, what do you think "To ensure the Killer feels like an unstoppable force to be feared" (Direct Quote from patch 6.1.0), means when the developers were talking about kill rates.
That's totally giving the killer role free kills. The killer-role to me has been delegitimized by the developers. Again, you shouldn't take this as a personal attack, this is just how I see the killer-role now.
What can the developers do when in half of the games the person that gets downed first either suicides on hook or dcs.
I've said this before but will say it again. If suicides-on-hooks and DCs have increased significantly, that's not a player problem, that's a developers problem. Something with the game is causing an abnormal DC and Suicide-on-hooks issue and the developers are the only ones that can fix it. I mean, it's their job, right?
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Can't you just shut the messaging off though? If you're that triggered about what type of messages you're receiving and getting them in droves, shut the messages off.
Not that that excuses their behavior, but if I were getting that much hate consistently, I would do something about it besides complaining on the forums.
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Your kills are meaningless, because your skill didn't play any part in those kills, it was just given to you by the developers. It's kind of like me giving you a million dollars and then you bragging that you are self-made millionaire.
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Its only a game, the problem with competitive gamers is often they are no fun to play with.
This game isn't balanced its asymmetric, survivors have the team advantage, killers have the power advantage.
I swear the comp gamer crowd will suck the fun outa anything they can worse than a min-maxing power gamer at your RPG night.
Yeah we all have different motivations for playing but I'll side with the folks who don't take this stuff too seriously because they'll typically roll with the punches and be a lot more enjoyable to play with.
You never needed to have respect for your opponent, because Its just a bunch of people playing a computer game for fun, nothing more.
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The point of my original comment wasn't to complain to was to suggest the idea that killers were ever previously respected is a complete joke.
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"The game is no longer fair to both sides after this patch" ----------------->🤨 so we need back faster gens and broken perks?
Solo Q needs a buff for sure, people need to undestand that , the changes purpose was to stop the dumb abuse of gens speeds / perks that were making survivors strong even if they were bad at looping or doing teamwork , now with the nerf to gen speeds and the buffs for killers , only not having in mind (NURSE/BLIGHT addons those 2 definetly needs a nerf with the new meta) , survivor needs to care more about doing gens while someone gets chase and viceversa if you get chase them the best you can do is last a minimun of 30 or 20 seconds for your team to get more gens done , going down in less that 10 seconds is just a punch in the face for your team (Not counting Nurse again because stars truck is fair an balanced right?😒)
the reason why people think , that this patch was a mistake , is mainly because solo Q survivors are throwing matches once again because playing without information , and also they no longer had E to outplay, pre droping pallets is less efective so that doesnt work anymore , all of that combine just makes the problems of Solo Q even more visible but this doesnt mean survivors are unplayable or the game is badly balanced, for dear god we just need basic stuff to make solo Q more in line compared to SWF and nothing else.
1) Base kit kindred w/out the Killer aura reveal.
2)being able to see what perks our team had and how to use it in our favor. (only while on loading screen or pressing escape in the match for god sake dbd mobile has this common!!!)
3) and for the love of Nea , using the new HUD for finally something good like Icons, and information for Solo Q players:
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Not really, I got bullied a lot when I started playing dbd, around late 2016- early 2017, and its the reason I kept playing and got good at the game, If I completely destroy them, they cannot bm at the exit gate, and If they sent messages I can just relish in them losing so bad thry cannot get over it.
You can a 100% keep playing a game after having these experiences repeatedly happen to you, depends on how you handle them.
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Those hud icons are excessive. People don't understand that they buff swf a great deal as well as solo. They give a vast amount of information that folks on comms don't always communicate and cut out the possiblity of miscommunication entirely.
Also I don't want people to see my perks. The last thing I need is the awful people playing the game haranguing me over the perks I'm running. I don't run the meta. I like to have fun.
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Survivors have never respected me, so I guess its just another day of playing dbd as usual?
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soo , even if you say that , at the end of the match or during the match survivors already know most likely what perks are you running .. i dont undestand how this will change something about YOUR "fun" just play whatever you want and dont care about what other people say, also there is no voice chat or text chat during the matches soo WHY?😐️
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't really get irked at the "teabag at the gate thing". Just like getting slashed on the hook. I've had friends that get so worked up about that and I always just chuckle a bit. Who cares?
Probably the only bullying that really pisses me off is the hide and seek thing, especially before EGC when they could legit just leave. Or when I was a terrible nurse and the players were way better than me and just wouldn't leave. That I count as bullying.
But just some teabags at a pallet or at a gate, nah. That's nothing I get worked up about.
End game salt messages are usually pretty funny, though again if you tell me to kill myself, use the n word, or gay slurs I'm gonna report to PSN even though tbh that stuff really doesn't get me that worked up, but it's just too scummy for me to let slide.
Messages like you are terrible, gg ez, you tunneled, camped, blah blah blah. Those are just usually amusing to me. I suppose you could count that as bullying, but again, you can shut the messages off so if that really bothers you (general you, not specific you) then block the messages.
If you're ever playing a game that is causing you a ton of stress, take a break or quit altogether. Games are supposed to be a good time.
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Um...and how long were the devs holding survivors? This is the first killer sided patch in MONTHS. I agree that I would like the game to be fair but it will never be fair because its 1 v 4.
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Nah, "you are bad", ggez and all of the like are not what I consider bullying, the ######### and so on where the ones that before got me riled up, but now they are actually funny, knowing you manage to beat someone so baddly they get so mad its hilarious, thats why nowadays I actually love post-game chat salt.
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No, they don't. Nobody knows I'm running deception head distortion unless they're following me around. People will see my bad perks that I enjoy and they'll throw, they'll give up on hook and blame me. This will happen. You've seen the people that play this game. They're the most hostile community I've ever seen and I played dota for years, for Christs sake.
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I lost respect for this community after they complained about everything.
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I agree that killers needed some buffs, but I think most of us know they overbuffed killers.
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Maybe one of these days I should set up a Twitch stream to show you guys that it aint that easy and free hand outs at the place were I play ^^
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your entire argument boils down to "I got a skill issue so I refuse to play anymore"
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